What is your favorite piano brand?

What is your favorite piano brand?

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    • Michael
    • Art Historian, Musculoskeletal Radiologist, Former Harpsichordist
    • MichaelP
    • 9 days ago
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    Twice in the past many decades I had the chance to try out B枚sendorfer Imperials in fairly large rooms, and I think back on those experiences as if encounters with the supernatural. If memory serves, they were stunningly easy to play: light, sensitive and responsive in a way I didn't expect for such a monstrous contraption.

    My rebuilt Hamburg Steinway B has a superbly regulated action, but at my present intermediate skill level, I struggle to achieve dynamic nuance--especially when playing quietly. It makes we wonder if a concert grand piano would enable expressive playing with greater ease, facilitating technical progress. Might that be the case with something like a B枚sendorfer 280-VC or Yamaha CFX even in a home setting? Is superhuman technique needed to achieve ppp dynamics on a concert grand in a concert hall, or does the size of the space aid by making anything less then forceful playing sound quiet? Do these larger instruments offer intrinsically a wider dynamic range, regardless of room size?

    What experiences have people had in controlling nuance and dynamics with different piano makes, larger and smaller, in home versus auditorium settings?

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      • Albert
      • Albert
      • 6 days ago
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      Michael It turns out a concert grand isn鈥檛 necessarily appreciably louder than a smaller grand. B枚sendorfer demonstrated this to me with their very powerful 170VC model, which fully held its own when compared back to back with their bigger models! (The 280VC, though, was specially designed for maximum projection in large halls.) Steinway, Bechstein and Fazioli also have smaller grands that sound very powerful indeed鈥攔eally more than sufficient for any living space. To me, their small grands may even be their biggest achievements since they seem to defy the laws of physics.

      The difference in larger grands is more in the bass, similar to the way making a loudspeaker bigger doesn鈥檛 necessarily make it louder but tends to allow it to reproduce deeper bass frequencies more cleanly.

      That said, concert grands do tend to have greater dynamic range, though mostly I personally like to take advantage of the dynamic potential on the softer end of the scale. The key levers are longer in a larger grand, which generally gives you more flexibility in controlling softer dynamics.

      I fully share your enthusiasm for the B枚sendorfer Imperial. (Full disclosure: I鈥檓 on their artist roster and am the fortunate, very satisfied owner of an Imperial! It gives me goosebumps from the sheer beauty of sound every single day. Even my wrong notes sound beautiful!) Most of the time I practice louder passages much softer. This protects my hearing and also helps to prevent building tension into my playing. (As a professional musician, I do a lot to protect my hearing since it鈥檚 a tool I need to rely on every bit as much as my piano.)

      Also, I had my piano voiced more for a living room than a concert hall. Higher-end pianos are designed to give technicians maximum flexibility when it comes to voicing, from very warm to very bright, so this is something you can have adjusted to the room and your personal taste.

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      • Michael
      • Art Historian, Musculoskeletal Radiologist, Former Harpsichordist
      • MichaelP
      • 6 days ago
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      Albert thanks for sharing your experience and expertise. I'm curious, when you practice on your Big B枚si at home, do you keep the lid down, or perhaps select a shorter prop stick?

      Can an expert technician with B枚sendorfer experience voice the hammers down so they are simply more quiet (dialed down from 11 to 5), but still preserve the original timbre and perceived responsiveness and lightness of the action?

      My fantasy is that such an instrument with longer key levers will (compared to my Hamburg Steinway B) greatly facilitate my progress in control and expressiveness beyond my current intermediate skill level, without demanding that my technique be revised to handle any increased weightiness or inertia imposed by a concert grand. Do you think that is realistic?

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      • Albert
      • Albert
      • 6 days ago
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      Michael Wow, you own a Hamburg Steinway B? Enjoy! That's a high-end instrument for professionals, so honestly I doubt the action of a concert grand would make a night and day difference when it comes to developing your skills. (If only it were that easy!)

      There is of course some difference in the action due to longer levers, but to me the B is an ideal size that I for one could be perfectly happy with. The action is also sensitive enough and the dynamic range sufficient to allow you to develop a fully professional technique and range. If you get another piano for your living space, it should probably be because you love its sound and feel and individual character, regardless of its size.

      An expert technician can indeed voice down the hammers to sculpt the sound. I've heard very impressive work voicing B枚sendorfers, Steinways and Faziolis so they sound good in living rooms. Maybe dialing it down from 11 to 7 is more realistic?

      In any case, just because dynamic potential is there doesn鈥檛 mean you have to use all of it in your living room, any more than you鈥檇 race down the street at 200 mph if you owned a 911 GT3! (Someone would have to call 911 if I owned a 911!)

      I do practice on the Imperial with the lid all the way down and open it up when recording. Otherwise it would indeed be truly overwhelming!

      Maybe Dominic Cheli can share his thoughts and experiences if he has a chance? You asked him after all... didn't mean to interject except to share your glowing enthusiasm for the Imperial!

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      • Michael
      • Art Historian, Musculoskeletal Radiologist, Former Harpsichordist
      • MichaelP
      • 6 days ago
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      Albert Your interjections have been phenomenally helpful, informative and entertaining! Thank you for them!

      It is difficult to accept that having a concert grand piano will not transform me instantaneously into a grand concert pianist.

      My totally rebuilt Hamburg B supposedly dates from shortly before 1920--hard to reconcile that with the Great War, but perhaps contributing to its explosive sound.

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  • Of course the comments made by so many of you are very interesting. I work in electronic music and jazz. I now use a Casio Privia CX S7000 digital piano. A remarkable instrument which can span the scope of classical and electronic music from Chopin to Herbie Hancock and electronic music better I believe than any digital keyboard before it. 

     

    Regards

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    • Robert Appleton It's great to hear about your journey with the Casio Privia CX S7000! Its versatility in covering both classical and electronic music is impressive鈥擨 can only imagine the unique textures you create from Chopin to Herbie Hancock. Have you found any particular pieces that really shine on it? I'd love to hear more about your favorite compositions to play! Keep enjoying the music!

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    • Dominic Cheli Thanks Dominic. I'm interested in AI and the possibilities for multimodality. The relationship between Chopin and Bill Evans can be heard in a comparison betwen Prelude in E minor and Blue in Green. I've been working with that.

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  • My humble opinion.. and old 1913 BB Mason Hamlin

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    • Gail Thiele I鈥檝e never played a Mason Hamlin, what are they like?

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    • Angela Fogg They have a rich deep brown sound with non-shrill but round high notes.

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    • Angela Fogg Angela Fogg The action on mine is not a light fluffy action but a very strong action. I feel I cn go deep into the keys.

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    • Gail Thiele sounds enticing Gail, I鈥檒l certainly try one if I get the chance!

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  • Yamaha and Steinway.
    At home, my husband and I have only Yamahas, but the Steinway is in our plans.
    I've tried several brands lately (Kawai, Shigeru Kawai, B枚sendorfer, ...), but none of them have won my heart yet. I'd love to try a Fazioli one day.

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    • Fernanda Machado - PianoClass The only Fazioli I鈥檝e played was in a diploma exam. Initially I was excited to play it and I booked a pre exam session to get used to it. It was such hard work, particularly the pedals. It took so much effort that every time I pedalled I was pushed back in the stool and I spent the entire time trying to shuffle forward towards the keyboard whilst the peddling pushed me back and away from the keyboard. I鈥檓 sure it wasn鈥檛 meant to be like that and was incorrectly set up. After the exam I complained and was told it had a reputation for being a monster. Hmm. However, a Steinway would be wonderful!

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