Study Group #1: Chopin's Prelude in E minor

Welcome to our very first Study Group — a space for collaborative, peer-led learning!

 

We’re starting with one of the most moving works in the piano repertoire: Chopin’s Prelude in E minor, Op. 28 No. 4.

Why this piece? Because we’re leading up to the International Chopin Competition, and what better way to prepare than by immersing ourselves in Chopin’s language together. This isn’t a formal class — it’s a chance to learn side by side, share ideas, and discover new layers of the music. I’ll be working on the piece right along with you, and I can’t wait to see what insights we uncover as a group.


🗓️ What to expect:
Starting September 8th, we’ll explore:

Melody and balance — bringing out the singing line above the chords
Left-hand harmony — keeping the pulse steady and clear
Rubato and expression — shaping time without losing flow
Tone and pedaling — finding colors that bring the Prelude to life
Your own questions, discoveries, and perspectives!

 

We’ll also meet for two live Zoom sessions to share progress, exchange ideas, and celebrate our work on this piece. (Times and clickable links below!)
 

Livestream Presentation: September 11th at 11am PT

Zoom session #1: September 11th at 11:20am PT

Note: This zoom session will start with approximately a 15-20 minute short lecture and deep dive on the piece with Dominic, before we dive into all of your questions and conversations!

 

Zoom session #2: September 19th at 11am PT


✅ How to participate:

  1. Sign up Here!

  2. Download or open the score for the Prelude in E minor

  3. Introduce yourself below!

  4. Join the prompts and discussions

  5. Share your thoughts, questions, or even a short recording if you’d like

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    • Roxi_S
    • 5 days ago
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    Hi... everyone 😊 

    Looking forward to sessions 😀 

    Glad you include sheet music... and give detail of edition

    ... curious,  is this a good book... I popped in music shop and got this... is it any good? Not got a clue 😕 🙃 

      • Roxi_S
      • 4 days ago
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      Yes I compared the two...

      Yes fingers included.

      It the same notes and musical directions... except the last measure the notes are different I noticed...

    • Andrew_Smith
    • 5 days ago
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    Hi all! I half-learned this years ago, (ironically) teaching it to a student -- this seems like a good opportunity to do a deep dive and have it become a permanent piece in the memory/hands. That Ekier edition is good but beware paper copies from that publisher -- I bought Andante Sp. & Polonaise and the pages don't lie flat like Henle/the binding is poor. Also, Henle's commentary/notes (to me, anyway) indicate that they have researched the hell out of all of the sources as well, so I think that's a good edition also. Looking forward to the study group. 

    • Barbara_McKenzie
    • 5 days ago
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    I agree with everybody who mentioned the left hand as the hardest part. I am practicing left hand alone and trying to figure out if there is a special bass line in all those chord progressions that might be interesting to bring out...for now, am thinking it might be the middle notes

    • Have a growth mindset, no matter what!
    • Gail_Starr
    • 5 days ago
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    Just in case y’all haven’t yet had a chance to watch Seymour’s lesson on Op 28/4, it’s a great jumping off spot!

    • vbashyam
    • 5 days ago
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      • Victoria_Macdonald
      • 5 days ago
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       Just finished this and there are some great insights. Will watch Seymour next.

      • Ivy_Anderson
      • 5 days ago
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      I wasn’t aware of this so thank you for providing the link!

      • Victoria_Macdonald
      • 3 days ago
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      It's very enlightening to see how differently Jarred and Seymour approach this piece. 

      • Dolores_Bacon
      • 2 days ago
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      i could not get Jarred’s to play, unfortunately

    • Ivy_Anderson
    • 5 days ago
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    I studied this piece quite some time ago and it’s still in my repertoire, but could definitely stand improvement. I think there are several challenges in the left hand:  playing the chords evenly with a consistent dynamic (piano) and voicing and ensuring all notes sound simultaneously; getting the texture right so that the harmonies are clear and present without overpowering or competing with the melody; and with a soft, pulsating touch that doesn’t sound like a succession of chords. My former teacher said that one should keep the fingers in the keys so that you feel the escapement. Another challenge is sustaining the melodic line and giving it dynamic shape given how slow-moving it is combined with the piano’s natural decay. 

      • Ivy_Anderson
      • 5 days ago
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      Also meant to add - my hands are extremely small (“a child’s hands,” as Maria Joao Pires has said) so the LH chords actually present some difficult stretches for me and I have to redistribute between the hands in some places - which is less problematic than where I have to stretch in other places (with as much hand relaxation as I can manage). I really have no business playing the piano at all!

      By the way I have the Alfred edition and I just compared it to the Elkier (sp?) - they are identical. 

    • Dolores_Bacon
    • 5 days ago
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    Hello everyone, I already took a chance by signing up for the Chopin challenge.  Had thought this study group was closed because I never got an email, but someone told me it is not, so now I am really jumping in the deep end of the pool.  BUT if I am wrong and it is closed, please @dominic_cheli let me know!  
     

    Now, to why I am here.  Although I love Chopin, I am not particularly fond of this piece - but want to stretch myself to learn better sight reading, insights into to the approach to learning a new piece cold and about the challenges of technique and expression, especially in the repetitive left hand.  Much pathos in this piece, and I think not easy to master the subtleties of expression at first glance.  Also, I want to continue to work on performance anxiety and love the idea of a collaborative study group!  So even though I think my knees have already started knocking, I’m in, will take a walk on the wild side! 😆.

    • Kerstin
    • 5 days ago
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    Hello everyone! This comes at the right time. 3 weeks ago I have started a challenge for myself - to memorize some short pieces and started with op28/3. I will memorize both hands seperately in 28/4. In the left hand I think in 3 voices and follow the changes in each voice. Thanks for all interesting ideas about the piece. It’s helpful. 

    • Paul_Miller
    • 5 days ago
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    I’m working on a project to learn one or two preludes from multiple composers throughout history starting with Bach WTC so this works perfectly. Looking forward to it. 

    • HengPin_Chen
    • 5 days ago
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    I've never really worked on this piece but just played through. My first thought was how to make LH soft enough but show the harmony changes clearly. RH melody is really a challenge too because of long phrases and, at the same time, all those repeating 2nds. This piece seems easy (note-wise), but so hard to play musically well.

    • Cynthia_Crawford
    • 5 days ago
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    Hi all

     

    I've never played any Chopin, though I've listened to a lot! This will be a nice challenge, though I don't know how far I'll get with it. I may have scheduling conflicts-will try to reconcile. Hoping for the best...

    I was just  starting to play a sweet little "Album Leaf", but I'll put that on hold....

    • Grace
    • 5 days ago
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    I was assigned How Insensitive by Antonio Carlos Jobim from my jazz piano teacher earlier this year. It is a Brazilian jazz standard in the Real Book (6th ed.). Jobim was obsessed with Chopin apparently. How Insensitive is based on Prelude No. 4 but it is in D minor. While learning it, I tinkered with No. 4 as well and watched a lesson from Seymour here on Tonebase. I’m always interested to learn more about it.

    • Vanessa_Ellermann
    • 5 days ago
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    I’ve played through the piece, but never performed it. I love Chopin! I can’t make the first Zoom meeting, but will attend the second one.

    • Marvin
    • 5 days ago
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    Would like to take this opportunity to "get back on the road" after veering away over 30 years ago (the other road was Medicine), to fulfill a promise made to my teacher (a former pupil of Vengerova at Curtis ) that I would some day play again. The piece is deceptively easy on quick glance but full of potential problems for balance, voicing, the long phrases, etc. Looking forward to this return. 

      • Victoria_Macdonald
      • 3 days ago
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       Deceptively difficult I'd say 😄. It looks so easy at first glance.

    • Janet_Horsford
    • 5 days ago
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    Thanks so much for this opportunity Dominic. I’ve been learning a bunch of Chopin preludes this last 6 months with Nos 4 & 11 still to come. Your timing is sensational 🙂. Looking forward to insights into this beautiful piece - it follows on from the very lively no 3. I’d love you to demonstrate the transition from 3 to 4!! Janet

    • Randi
    • 5 days ago
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    I'm excited about this prelude as it is very accessible to me. I studied it last winter on my own and just love it. I'm looking forward to learning from you all as well as the 2 resources mentioned above (Seymore & Jarred). I also cannot attend the first zoom, but will watch the recording. 

    Thanks for this Dominic!

    • Hannahong
    • 5 days ago
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    Thank you, Dominic, for offering this study group ! It is the piece that I feel hesitant to learn because it looks simple, but  very difficult to play expressively beautiful ( for me). I am looking forward to dive into this project! 

    • Wendy_Stiver
    • 5 days ago
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    Good evening. I first learned this piece in my 20s, when I got obsessed with the drama and melancholy side of Chopin. I did very little to analyze phrasing, voicing, use of the pedals, etc. Now that I'm in my late 60s, with additional training in cello and classical voice, I'm starting my study by singing the melody line-- it is a lovely vocalise! I'm figuring out where it breathes, where it pauses, etc. Not sure where I'll go next!

    • Dawn_Forde_Arno
    • 4 days ago
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    Hello, 

    I’m Dawn and I look forward to working & learning together.  

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