Study Group #1: Chopin's Prelude in E minor
Welcome to our very first Study Group — a space for collaborative, peer-led learning!
We’re starting with one of the most moving works in the piano repertoire: Chopin’s Prelude in E minor, Op. 28 No. 4.
Why this piece? Because we’re leading up to the International Chopin Competition, and what better way to prepare than by immersing ourselves in Chopin’s language together. This isn’t a formal class — it’s a chance to learn side by side, share ideas, and discover new layers of the music. I’ll be working on the piece right along with you, and I can’t wait to see what insights we uncover as a group.
🗓️ What to expect:
Starting September 8th, we’ll explore:
Melody and balance — bringing out the singing line above the chords
Left-hand harmony — keeping the pulse steady and clear
Rubato and expression — shaping time without losing flow
Tone and pedaling — finding colors that bring the Prelude to life
Your own questions, discoveries, and perspectives!
We’ll also meet for two live Zoom sessions to share progress, exchange ideas, and celebrate our work on this piece. (Times and clickable links below!)
Livestream Presentation: September 11th at 11am PT
Zoom session #1: September 11th at 11:20am PT
Note: This zoom session will start with approximately a 15-20 minute short lecture and deep dive on the piece with Dominic, before we dive into all of your questions and conversations!
Zoom session #2: September 19th at 11am PT
✅ How to participate:
Sign up Here!
Download or open the score for the Prelude in E minor
Introduce yourself below!
Join the prompts and discussions
Share your thoughts, questions, or even a short recording if you’d like
Zoom Study Group #2 Video!
Dominic's Annotated Score Here!
138 replies
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Would like to take this opportunity to "get back on the road" after veering away over 30 years ago (the other road was Medicine), to fulfill a promise made to my teacher (a former pupil of Vengerova at Curtis ) that I would some day play again. The piece is deceptively easy on quick glance but full of potential problems for balance, voicing, the long phrases, etc. Looking forward to this return.
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Thanks so much for this opportunity Dominic. I’ve been learning a bunch of Chopin preludes this last 6 months with Nos 4 & 11 still to come. Your timing is sensational 🙂. Looking forward to insights into this beautiful piece - it follows on from the very lively no 3. I’d love you to demonstrate the transition from 3 to 4!! Janet
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I'm excited about this prelude as it is very accessible to me. I studied it last winter on my own and just love it. I'm looking forward to learning from you all as well as the 2 resources mentioned above (Seymore & Jarred). I also cannot attend the first zoom, but will watch the recording.
Thanks for this Dominic!
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Thank you, Dominic, for offering this study group ! It is the piece that I feel hesitant to learn because it looks simple, but very difficult to play expressively beautiful ( for me). I am looking forward to dive into this project!
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Good evening. I first learned this piece in my 20s, when I got obsessed with the drama and melancholy side of Chopin. I did very little to analyze phrasing, voicing, use of the pedals, etc. Now that I'm in my late 60s, with additional training in cello and classical voice, I'm starting my study by singing the melody line-- it is a lovely vocalise! I'm figuring out where it breathes, where it pauses, etc. Not sure where I'll go next!
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I have made it my business to return to the piano in a serious way a couple of years ago now after many, many decades of wandering in the desert (not by choice). It feels intimidating to be here and I have been largely reluctant to join in groups but this is the starting point (cliff_ _ ` jump). While not being able to fully play piano for most of my life (due to lack of time) I could only make it through by listening to or thinking about music as I patiently waited for my opportunity to return to hands on a keyboard, in reality.
My long-term goals include learning most, if not all, of the Preludes of Chopin, among other impossible challenges ;-). As is clear to most humble souls, this Prelude is deceptively easy. Most people can sight read this one along with the B minor, A major, D-flat major, or C minor as the typical starting Preludes. The difficulty though is precisely due to the simplicity and lack of many notes. You simply cannot hide behind complexity or multiple things going on to wow any listeners into submission. Here you feel almost naked and any weakness is on full display immediately. It is near impossible to play this without being entirely relaxed from head to toe as any stiffness is heard immediately.
I'm not sure if I can ask questions now but I have many questions that I'm dying to know in order to help me in my personal journey with it. I'll limit them to two or three now of the biggest questions I have.
My first two questions regard tempo and pedalling and I believe these are the two biggest interpretive questions to address.
What does Largo mean in the 1835 sense (in tempo and in interpretation)? Is the 20th and 21st century Largo the same? Every player knows that this piece gets infinitely harder and harder to play the slower you go. (ie. not very fast). Is it any wonder why a faster pace is promoted today? Also, does the time signature affect the tempo (ie. cut time vs. 4/4) as I've heard many people say? I am well aware that questioning the typical tempo of today is an uphill battle that many will not get behind because it seems like a settled issue given the countless number of recordings, competition norms and audience expectations. Still, this remains the most important question in approaching this Prelude for me.
Next in importance is the question of pedalling. Again, the less pedal used the harder the piece becomes. I will only point out that Chopin suggests pedal down only for a total duration of six eight notes (in bars 16 and 17). Was Chopin specific and particular about this or was he just lazy or in a hurry that day he wrote this out? Check out the C major prelude where all 34 bars have the same pedalling indications? In the B minor and C minor there three and one pedal points, respectively. Looking through all 24 Preludes I get the feeling that Chopin was very specific about pedalling. I would love to know what others think about this and whether you can pull this E minor Prelude off sans pedal except where noted?
Lastly, I'd like to know how to play stretto ? Is it just suddenly faster and equally fast for these two and a half bars. Or does it gradually speed up and suddenly stop? How to best end it? And is it just slightly faster or dramatically faster? Again, this is surely bound by good taste of course, but I'd love to find out the general approach or guidelines to use for playing stretto.
I look forward to learning many new things throughout this time with you all and the opportunity of being part of this. Thank you.
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Hello,
I’m Dawn and I look forward to working & learning together.
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Hi! Starting a little late, but raring to go! Jeremy Owens from Western Iowa in the US.
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I started learning this piece today. I found that circling the note or notes that change in the bass line makes it much easier to learn. Most places are only a change of one note, or sometimes 2. Then there are the bigger changes in the stretto section. I am focusing on those hardest parts first, hoping the rest will fall into place. Interpretation, however, is another matter! I find this short session interesting, but don't expect to be able to come close to a credible performing version in the short time we have. I will enjoy learning this, though-my first Chopin attempt.
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I’m confused about the Zoom today & the live event today on the piece. They’re at the same time. Is this 2 separate events to choose between or 1 event?
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Wanted to share another great resource (from two guys TB veterans might know: Ben Laude and Garrick Ohlsson) called The Chopin Podcast. Each episode is a deep dive (some 2+ hours) into Chopin's works. Just so happens Season 1, Episode 1 is about the Preludes. Unfortunately, they don't discuss the e minor, but it's still worthwhile.
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Great session but am wondering where to find the "marked up" version of the score. Can you give the link?
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I'd like to see the score too. Also not sure how to get back in to the great lesson that Dominic gave.
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Hi,
I was not able to attend live.
Is there a recording of the zoom group meeting part?