Bach is Difficult! A Live Q&A for Curious Pianists

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  • Tips on how to add extra ornaments especially when repeating a section.

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    • Emma
    • Emma.7
    • 2 wk ago
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    When first starting out on Bach (e.g. BWV 999), how to practice so that you can memorise the  piece, all the notes and subtle changes...

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  • I wonder if you can speak to the role of extemporazation in Bach (and other Baroque composers), as to both ornamentation and rhythm. For example, when is unwritten ornamentation too much or improper; and am I allowed to decide to prolong the dot after a note while shortening the corresponding following note?

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    • Gloria
    • Gloria
    • 13 days ago
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    Can you discuss about prelude and Fuga BWV 855/1 ? 

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    • Peter Golemme
    • Piano Player with Day Job (for now)
    • Peter_G
    • 13 days ago
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    There is a small ornament I would like to play in the Bb Major Prelude from book 2 of the WTC .  It's a simple little 3 note shake which I believe would be described as an inverted mordant on the first G in triplet appearing at Beat 3 of Measure 2 (circled in RED in the attached PDF).

    I can execute it fairly easily when simply playing it by itself in 1 hand, but in the context of playing the piece with both hands, my RH hand seems to lock up on this ornament. I have to push through the lock-up and it results in a *hitch* in performing the ornament.

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out what I am doing differently with my hand when I play the preceding notes.  I suspect that the culprit may be the little Turn I do on the Eb in the soprano, beat 4 of Measure 1 (circled in green), but I cannot ascertain what it would be doing to my hand to cause it to lock up when I arrive at this problematical ornament.

    I've also uploaded a short video illustrating my hand position when playing the ornament (a) alone, and (b) in context of the other notes.

    Any feedback would be most welcome! 

    P.S. These sessions are really great and I always learn so much from Dominic's advice to myself and the other pianists.

      • Peter Golemme
      • Piano Player with Day Job (for now)
      • Peter_G
      • 12 hrs ago
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      Peter Golemme and here is the short video illustration mentioned above.

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  • I posted my questions in another thread but will copy it here. 

    I have a general question about tempo. In the past, I tend to rush through a piece and try to play at a fast tempo before I am ready. I started practicing at a very slow tempo so I will get all the rhythm and note correctly. I watch your other livestream where you talk about practicing close to your goal tempo with very short section, like 1-2 bars at a time. When I try to do the fast tempo, that is when I realize some of the fingering would not work. Now I have to go back and re-learn the new fingering. And it sounds worse than before and I feel like I am not making much progress. I cannot even get through a few bars at a time.  

     

    Question:

    1. What practice tempo do you recommend in the early stage of learning a piece? Do you go back and forth with slow, moderate and fast every time you practice?

    2. This is my first WTC prelude and fugue (WTC book 2 G major). What tempo do you recommend? I heard some insanely fast tempo and there is no way to get even close. 

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      • Gail Starr
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      • Gail_Starr
      • 12 days ago
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      rebecca LAM If you have written out your fingering for the Prelude, I'd be happy to look at it.  Not sure I can help, but I can try.

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    • rebecca LAM for WTC book 2 G major prelude,

      1. can you give general recommendations on how to decide on articulation? I play staccato on most of the eighth notes.  Not sure if this is the right approach.
      Here are the area in question: bar 13-16, bar 26,27, bar 33-36. 

      2. When there is repeat in the piece, do you play differently the second time? And how do you suggest doing that?

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      • Begoña
      • Begona
      • yesterday
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      rebecca LAM 

      Hi there,

      Thanks for the recommendation.  There are different approaches to the interpretation of both prelude and fugue depending on editions. For me staccato is too difficult. I follow henle.  (Maintaining pulsation and bringing voices is hard as it is in the tempo.)

      Back to my query regarding pedalling in the fugue in bars stated is this a good option?

      Begona

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      • Peter Golemme
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      • Peter_G
      • 11 hrs ago
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      Begoña Hello Begoña FWIW, here is my opinion as a fellow struggling amateur pianist (assuming you are talking about the FUGUE, because you referred to it as the PRELUDE in your first post above!):

      I would not use pedal on bars 13-15, because of the consecutive adjacent scale notes: the pedal will blur the harmony

      M. 16, the pedal does not cause the above problem, but I would not find it necessary: only the first D and B in the RH need sustaining, and it seems easy enough (?) to hold them down for their duration.

      mm. 26-27:  if I used pedal, I would change it every beat until the RH E. But again, I would not use pedal here.  It would cause those LH notes to sustain, whereas they are the successive notes of a single line, so I would want to keep them separate -- whether played legato or staccato -- rather than sustaining them so as to run into each other.

      mm.33-36 -- same as above.  Also the adjacent scale tones would cause a clash if pedaled together except for in m. 35.

      We used to be told (back in my day) never to use the pedal in the WTC, but a more modern view seems to be use it judiciously when it can help with your musical objective.  Dominic seems to agree with that and has said so in several of his videos regarding Bach.

      The risk is that you don't want to over-rely on it to compensate for developing your technique.

      I use the pedal frequently throughout the WTC, but generally only very lightly here and there to connect some notes in a legato line [notwithstanding Sir Andras Schiff's admonishment:  "Legato should be achieved with the hands, not the feet"]

      In practicing, when focusing on developing my technique, I'll use ZERO pedaling to try to improve my legato skills, but when focusing on performing it, I'll use the pedal as stated above, to help get beyond the limitations of my technique in playing a legato line.

      Having said all that, in this particular fugue, I would not be inclined to use pedal anywhere. You want the lines to be heard as separate lines. The Fugues in general are all about separate melodic lines combining, and too much pedal would blur them together.

      As for tempo, I try to play this somewhat quickly, but not at the blistering pace you hear on some records. Around MM 112 per eight note, and once comfortable there,  I might perhaps try to go up to 120. But much faster than that, I for one, can't play the ornaments, and will stumble on the 32nd notes.  Also I find the sequences quite beautiful, and they get lost if you just blitz through them. This piece is very beautiful even at very slow tempos.

      Have fun with it. Once under your fingers, it is so much fun to play, you'll never want to stop!

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      • Begoña
      • Begona
      • 6 hrs ago
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      Peter Golemme 

      Yes the fugue. I will check these suggestions. Thanks

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    • Begoña
    • Begona
    • 3 days ago
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    Hi, there I am working Prelude and fugue XV BWV 884 Well-Tempered Klavier Book 2. Henle edition.   I am wondering if pedal can be applied in the fugue in Bars 14,61, 67,68 to slightly prolong the sound.

    Thanks

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    • Hazel
    • Hazel
    • 1 hr ago
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    I’m learning The Italian Concerto and would like some advice about how to add dynamics to the fast movements. What type of dynamical range is appropriate and how to achieve different articulations with different types of touch and the best techniques to use.

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