A Deep Dive into Bach's C minor Prelude and Fugue, BWV 847

Tue Oct 27 at 11 AM - 12 PM PDT
Tue Oct 27 at 11 AM - 12 PM PDT
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In the final week of the Bach C minor Challenge, Dominic Cheli goes live for a deep dive into Bach's Prelude and Fugue in C minor, BWV 847, from Book I of the Well-Tempered Clavier. At the piano, he'll work through the spots that trip people up most and answer your questions!

 

Bring your questions about the piece, the new Prelude and Fugue in C minor Track, and your own practice. Post them in the challenge thread ahead of time, or ask live in the chat.

Join us live on Tuesday, October 27 at 11am PT.

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    • Margaret_Deeble
    • 3 wk ago
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    Will listen to any replays as it's just too early in the morning in Australia

    • Unfrozen Barroom Piano Player
    • Peter_G
    • 2 wk ago
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    Where do you sign up for the Challenge?

      • Unfrozen Barroom Piano Player
      • Peter_G
      • 2 wk ago
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      Never mind! found it!

    • Gloria
    • 11 days ago
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    I finally got in. I hope I can catch up for this . 

    • Vicki_R
    • 8 days ago
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    Question for Dominic or anyone :  First bar of prelude  is often hit or miss on evenness between hands, but then it settles in as one continues playing.  What techniques to use, to get that first bar, perfectly aligned. Visualization?   Feeling movement in hands on lap, before playing? Any good techniques please?  Thank you

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    • Vicki_R
    • 8 days ago
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    And finally - when you do the webinar, would it be possible to enlarge   on how ornamentation could have been introduced into these pieces to make them sound improvisatory,  if possible.   I realize that Baroque ornamentation is a huge topic, but perhaps a few pointers.  Or -  Perhaps a reference to a particular TB course on this?  Thank you so much.

    • Vicki_R
    • 3 days ago
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    Another question on fingering - you have made it so easy for us to develop all the fingerings in the Prelude and Fugue.  Is there a Tonebase course or webinar on how to develop optimal fingerings in pieces, in general?

      • hot4euterpe
      • 3 days ago
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       This would be a difficult subject to summarize, particularly because what is optimal can mean different things. While there are fingering conventions for efficiency with certain figurations, (and ergonomic variants), it becomes highly variable in context. Fingering decisions may be different for speed, for comfort, to suit certain articulation, to suit a dynamic (finger 5 is naturally more gentle than finger 1), for continuity into the next idea, for ease of memorization (repeating the same fingering pattern may be easier to remember than changing it once for ergonomic benefit), for shaping and phrasing etc. Then there is the fact that there are different sizes and flexibility levels for different hands!

      You may like to explore a resource that discusses the complexities of fingering such as Penelope Roskell’s “The Art of Piano Fingering”. It considers a number of the above ideas. Ultimately, fingering is about thoughtful musical decision-making as well as what is mechanically optimal.

      You can always add interesting fingering questions to the tricky passages livestreams and Dominic (and other community members) will weigh in with ideas!

      • Vicki_R
      • Yesterday
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      I will definitely investigate that course. 

    • Vicki_R
    • 3 days ago
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    And finally - under the track section 'Bass drama', in the Fugue, why is it suggested to play the last three eighth notes in the bass in bar 20, as three louder, staccato bass notes going downwards?  Is it because it is a fragment of the subject?  Also, why is it suggested that the double thirds be non-legato in the Fugue?  Thank you.

      • hot4euterpe
      • 3 days ago
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       My guess for this suggestion would be because at m. 20 the bass line dramatically drops an octave in register which is an exciting gesture, particularly when going into the low notes. And the parallel thirds in eighth notes would generally be played non-legato so the listener can hear the counterpoint clearly against the more florid running sixteenths.

      • Vicki_R
      • Yesterday
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        A heartfelt thank you again for the 'guess'. :-)  When one understands the reason behind this, one can more genuinely interpret it.

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