Week 2: Applying Harmony and Form to Performance Interpretation on Chopin Preludes (Part 1)

Let's welcome Dr. Eloise Kim who will be guiding the next two weeks of this Chopin Challenge with a "Two-Week Intensive!"

 

Assignment #1

Video link for Week 1: https://youtu.be/4hZ900JZSVU

https://youtu.be/4hZ900JZSVU

 

1. Choose any Chopin Prelude of your choice. Assess what form the piece is in: for example, ternary form. Label in your annotations of phrase groups, larger structures, and sections.

 

2. To the best of your abilities: write down a roman numeral or chord analysis on the music, key areas, modulations, tonicizations, etc. If you are new to music theory, you are welcome to label just chord harmony or circle certain chords in the music that you 'react' to when listening to the work.

3. Please feel free to share your annotations here on the community platform for feedback!

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    • a_weymann
    • 7 days ago
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    Many of us have chosen a piece other than a Prélude - I assume that, too, would be O.K. to use for this exercise? 

      • Eloise_Kim
      • 7 days ago
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       Absolutely fine! This can be applied to any other work you chose/are currently studying :)  

    • Eloise_Kim
    • 7 days ago
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    Hi everyone! Welcome to this Chopin two week intensive! Although my examples in the video and instructions are "Chopin Preludes," I want to clarify you are welcome to choose any Chopin work of your choice to apply this challenge! :) Looking forward to hearing all of your ideas here! 

    • rebecca_LAM
    • 5 days ago
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    HI, Dr Kim, I will continue to work on my nocturne in B flat minor. I am excited to join this. I know very little in music theory but am trying to learn it now. This will be very good practice for me. 

      • Eloise_Kim
      • 4 days ago
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       Welcome, Rebecca! Thrilled to have you here :) I look forward to hearing about what you discovered, and feel free to ask me anything here 👍

      • rebecca_LAM
      • 4 days ago
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       I feel like this is so beyond my skill level. I went throught Ben Laude's theory course but I don't think I comprehend everything. I could only figure out the first chord in B flat minor tonic. I cannot figure out the next three chords (not including the duplicates). Help please. thanks. 

      • rebecca_LAM
      • 4 days ago
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      when labeling chords, do you label it based on the key signature or the note in root position? 

      • Eloise_Kim
      • 4 days ago
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      Hi Rebecca! Thank you for sharing your work! This nocturne is definitely a challenging one to identify harmony analysis on, especially because of the many chromaticism in the RH. Lot of romantic repertoire involves this type of writing, so it is totally understandable and completely normal to feel that you might not comprehend at the moment.

      In this particular nocturne, I would suggest to concentrate more on the LH to identify which chords are being formed harmonically. And yes, to answer your question: we are labeling chords based on:

      1) The key signature (to apply the flats/sharps involved)

      2 The contents of the chord for the 'quality' (major, minor, diminished, seventh chord, etc.)

      3) The root of the chord

      For example, if we see a LH arpeggiating the notes Bb-Db-F (even if it is not in that exact order), then we are outlining a b-flat minor chord. And when we have F-A-C-E-flat at the end of m. 1, that is outlining an F Dominant 7 chord, even though those particular notes are happening at the end of the measure. Therefore, I am not counting that first b-flat in the 4th beat of m. 1 as part of the F dominant 7 chord. I have attached my annotations for m. 1-8 here for reference-hopefully it is legible as I scanned it through 😂

      I want to note that the RH is 'decorating' in this nocturne a lot with some wonderful chromaticism so that could make the identification of harmonic analysis certainly quite confusing. And also, not every single note in the LH is part of the chord. So doing this type of work requires some 'educated guesses' and our ear instinct. Some very unique chords appear towards measures 6 and 7 when we have B double flats. I have identified those chords as g-flat minor (m. 6) and c fully diminished 7th (m. 7) respectively. However, if this language is foreign to you at the moment, feel free to 'circle' chords that you react to--that adds tension or a color change--as this after all, is the main point of the exercise :). 

      I hope this input and attachment comes in helpful. I would also encourage you to mark in your score some 'phrase groups' (I annotated a few parentheses on this Chopin myself). And maybe try to identify what 'form' this piece is in too. Types of forms in music (but not limited) to are: binary form, ternary form, sonata-allegro form, etc. This can also be added as part of our 'analysis' factor for this week, and can help decide some performance interpretations for Week 2 :).

      Thank you!

    • Eloise_Kim
    • 4 days ago
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    Hello everyone! To give an idea of how to annotate a 'harmonic analysis' to a score, I am attaching the annotations of one of my examples in my video: Chopin Prelude in c minor, for reference. This attachment contains both a 'chord analysis' and 'roman numeral analysis.' Once again, if this is something that is new for you, please do not worry--you are welcome to focus on identifying the 'form' of the piece, marking down phrases, and also circling chords that sound 'special' to you.

    Happy studying!

    • Victoria_Macdonald
    • 4 days ago
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    Hello Dr. Kim,

    I believe my figured bass days are behind me, and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to pick it up again with a Chopin Nocturne! In any event, I'll take stab at describing the Nocturne I'm working on - the C# minor, Op. Posth. in a holistic way that incorporates the form and harmonic structure.

    It's quite an interesting and unique piece, in that I believe it's the only Nocturne that has an Introduction section and then incorporates a Mazurka as well. The overall structure would be an A-B-A, but I believe the insertion of the Mazurka in m. 33 (Animato) creates more of an A-B-C-A structure + coda.

    It is a nocturne and Chopin seems to do his best to keep us a bit ungrounded. The introduction starts with a repeated 4-chord phase that begins on C# minor and ends on an imperfect cadence. The second iteration of these chords is marked "pp" - a degree quieter than the first - like an echo, or something you're remembering (like in a dream). There are clearly marked rests between the 1st and 2nd chords, and between the 3rd and 4th  chords - as though one is breathing deeply before falling asleep. There is a half-measure rest before the phrase is repeated and before the entrance of the A section. What will happen next? Where is the music going? 

    The A section begins in C# minor with the 5th in the melody. We do reach a high C# in the RH in m. 7 but it descends after that. We don't reach a more finalized resolution in the RH of the C# melody until the end of the A section in m. 20. The B section starts in A major with the 5th again in the melody. I believe that's the case in each of the sections - always starting on the 5th note of the tonic - keeping us just a little unmoored. The long, flowing, poignant theme of the A section is now followed by the more light-hearted A major theme. Perhaps a happier moment has entered our dream state? There are some allusions to a military rhythm in mm. 22-23 and again in mm. 27-28 - maybe a passing parade? But notice the A maj theme is repeated starting in m. 25 but this time in F# minor. This could be a reference to that dream state again. In fact, Chopin unmoors us a bit more by changing the rhythm in m. 32 from cut time to 5/4. He's getting us ready for the next part of our dream - a dance! 

    The C section is marked "Animato" and is reminiscent of a Mazurka. This time we're a bit off kilter starting on the V chord (D#) that will resolve to G# major. The beautiful melodies we heard in sections A and B are now reduced to just two notes: C# and D#. The focus in this section is on the dance rhythm in the base. We're dancing in our dream.  But not for long. The G# major arpeggio marked "Adagio" in m. 44 will guide us back to our C# minor dream.

    The A section returns nearly verbatim until the dream takes flight starting in m. 57 with a coda consisting of sweeping chromatic runs. First climbing an octave and then descending an octave and a half. Second time climbing and descending the full octave and a half. Then just a sixth. Then a final gasp up to the seventh - we just don't have the strength to reach that octave again. And, finally, cadencing on a C# minor arpeggio in both hands in opposite directions - we are asleep.

    Generally, I would say the harmonies are not driving this work as much as the melody is. While there are some V-i cadences, they are not drummed into you like Beethoven. The imperfect cadence at the end of the intro suggest C# minor, and we definitely start there, but we quickly move through the subdominant and dominant and back again. The B section does not move to the relative major (E major) or even the dominant (G#), but rather to the dominant of the relative major - A major. This gives Chopin a path to its relative minor F# minor, which we heard before in the A section and which is the subdominant of C# minor. The harmonies become allusions and are there to support the melodies. The melodies are differentiated enough that each section could be considered its own little work - they're all patched together, but there is no recurring thematic material tying them together. Again, this is Chopin, not Beethoven.

      • Eloise_Kim
      • 3 days ago
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      Fantastic description, Victoria! This is a very impressive analysis of the Chopin Nocturne, Op. Posthumous, and you are spot on about the form and descriptive details. Thank you so much for sharing your insight!

      I also love how you are already incorporating this analysis into emotional interpretation: where is this harmony taking us, what is this phrase foreshadowing or is something unexpected going to happen, etc. The opening introduction is definitely rare, ending with the G# Major chord (half cadence)--sort of giving a hint that we are going "somewhere" indeed--and I like the observation of how the A section starts with the 5th in the melody, which makes it continuous from the introduction last chord.

      And that is true, many of the cadences at the ends of phrases in this nocturne do not sound too finalized most of ht etime--which is a common trait in the romantic era period of giving this emotional feeling of longing and 'searching.' The use of chromaticism and melodies also create this dream-like quality as you have shared.

      Bravo, and I hope this study part of Week 1 helps give you further insight into your the physical application when you get to perform this work! :)

      • Victoria_Macdonald
      • 3 days ago
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       Wow, thank you! I told my teacher I think I like analyzing a piece more than playing it LOL. I had majored in music theory at Columbia U., but that was nearly 50 years ago. I could likely still do a chord by chord analysis, but it would take forever and it's a long piece., and life keeps calling.  But your lovely comments made my day!

      • Eloise_Kim
      • 3 days ago
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      Wow that is fantastic! No wonder you could describe your analysis so well :) I agree that analyzing/studying a piece this way is certainly a really exciting journey--I feel the same way👍. Thank you again for sharing your input and analysis!

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    • a_weymann
    • 3 days ago
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    I had to do a harmonic analysis of a Chopin Prélude for my final exam in Music in high school, but that was almost 40 years ago; I never learned the system with Roman Numerals, although it’s on the short list of “Things I Absolutely, Definitely Want To Teach Myself Someday”. This week and next week are not the time to do it because I’m too busy at work (on call 24/7), so I will just use what little time I do have to learn to play my piece and meanwhile enjoy reading the analyses on this thread by people smarter than me. 

      • Eloise_Kim
      • 3 days ago
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      That is great! Chopin Preludes and several romantic repertoire for that matter--are challenging to do a harmonic analysis of-so wonderful to hear you had experience with this back in highschool :). But since you have done it before, I am sure it will come back to you once you get back into the practice of it again. Totally understand this takes patience and also most importantly-time. I hope you are taking care of yourself during a busy work week!

      In the meantime, I suggest a great textbook to look into is Tonal Harmony (Sixth Edition) by Stefan Kostka and Dorothy Payne. The sixth edition is not as available anymore in stock online, but I think the newer editions will be fine too. This textbook is often used in many conservatories. I have attached some pages here for reference (google drive link below) that you can take a look at when you have some free time. These chapters I attached explain about modulations, altered chords, and some insight into roman numeral analysis.

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qnlX-vSOtja16VRi_mvkdvvr439brmr4/view?usp=drive_link

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      • a_weymann
      • 2 days ago
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       thank you so much for your understanding and kind words and for pointing me to this fantastic resource; very helpful! 

    • vbashyam
    • 23 hrs ago
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    Hi  ! I am working on Nocturne Op 55 No 1. Here is my attempt at harmonic analysis for the first page. Not very experienced at this so apologies in advance. Thanks for working with us on this challenge! 

      • Eloise_Kim
      • 22 hrs ago
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      Hi Vidhya! Thank you so much for sharing your analysis. Impressive work, and wonderfully done. I appreciate how you completed both a chord and roman numeral analysis-bravo. Generally, excellent job! I have attached my analysis of the same excerpt noting just a few corrections. I will also explain a few with written feedback below. If any of this music theory language might be new for you (or anyone joining this challenge currently), please ask away!

      1. When we have E-flat Dominant 7 chords (which occurs frequently in this excerpt, such as m. 1, m. 3, 5, etc.): these are 'secondary dominant' chords. Although certainly an E-flat Major chord can be diatonic in the key of f minor (if we are analyzing in the f natural minor scale). But for most traditional classical repertoire, our diatonic harmonies in the minor key, will be analyzed from the harmonic minor scale. Therefore in this nocturne's key of f minor, diatonic harmonies would need to involve the E-natural (raised 7th of the f harmonic minor scale). So when we are in minor key works, the seventh scale degree roman numeral is typically a 'diminished' chord quality. Coming back to the Op. 55 no. 1 nocturne, these particular E-flat dominant 7 chords spell out Eb-G-Bb-Db (including the note in the RH melody), and that is a Dominant 7th quality. Also, if you look at the next proceeding chord, it resolves to an A-flat Major. So we would label this as V7/III meaning: Eb7 is the dominant of Ab Major (III of f minor), in the key of f minor (original key). For reference, I have attached some pages about secondary dominants from a Theory book here.

      2. Next, when we have G-flat Major chords (i.e.: measures 6 and 14): This is noted as Flat II, also known as Neapolitan Chords. Neapolitan chords are part of the 'chromatic harmony' family, and flat II's are used to create a special color. If we used a normal ii chord in the minor key, we would need to have a g diminished chord (in the key of f minor); but that G-flat Major creates a very colorful reaction (perhaps also give some ideas for interpretation).

      3. There are a few chords in romantic repertoire that do not necessarily 'need' a roman numeral analysis each time because they are often just chromatically passing through in between chords. For example, these occur in the last beats of m. 16, 18, and 22. What is interesting to note though is the C pedal point in measures 20-24 that keeps recurring in the bass: this creates an emphasis and also perhaps foreshadowing a direction back to the original theme in f minor.

      I hope all of this analysis above and what you already have done can be useful for interpretation of how to 'color' the performance interpretation. Understanding harmony also gives some ideas on phrasing directions too. If you need any clarification of the above, I am happy to explain or send you resources that can help with some extra practice :) Thank you so much again for joining this challenge!

      • vbashyam
      • 22 hrs ago
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       Thank you so much for the detailed feedback! I was wondering about using the natural vs harmonic scale- great to know to focus on harmonic. Will read through the rest of your comments and certainly let you know if I have further questions! 

      • Eloise_Kim
      • 21 hrs ago
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       You're very welcome! Certainly feel free to ask me anytime if you have questions. Happy to be of help🤗

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    • Judy_Kuan.1
    • 19 hrs ago
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    Hi  , thanks for the motivation to do this analysis! I tend to do really big picture harmonic analysis (to help me keep track of where I am in the piece), and then get detailed with the chord analysis when I'm struggling with learning/memorizing a particular section.

    For Chopin 53, the main theme is quite straightforward and repetitive (V-I-V-I-V-I etc), but the interludes are surprisingly tricky (which makes sense since they're meant to sound ambiguous and meander into different key areas).

    In any case, here is my scribble analysis on a spare score (the Henle hardcopy I'm learning from is pretty illegible at this point). I did do this away from the piano so I'll have to revisit tomorrow to see if I still agree with myself 😅

      • Eloise_Kim
      • 17 hrs ago
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      Thank you so much for joining this two week intensive! Excellent work on your analysis. I like your idea of doing the 'big picture' studying first, and then going into more in-depth analysis in sections that you want to polish the memorization of or deep dive into. That's a great tactic, and I am in full agreement with you on this :)

      Also, fantastic job doing the analysis away from the piano. This is a great challenge to do, but you learn a lot from the experience. And yes, we can always re-check our work at the piano ;). But the 'study away from the instrument' gives us insight into how to better practice and approach the work--plus when we do return back to the piano, it does wonders to the physical act of practicing.

      This Polonaise is a very unique form in the sense that 1) it starts with quite a long introduction and 2) the form is sort of a hybrid between a very large A B A' ternary form with hints of rondo form because of the repeating A section themes (as you had marked in your score).

      As a next step: I advise you to use your analysis to help interpret into our following next week assignment here: which would be applying our mental practice work into physical and performance interpretation. One general question you can apply is: how do these key areas relate to each other? For example, moving from the original key of A-flat Major into E Major (at the key change), is a very 'distant' key, not related to each other (diatonic) in any way. This is a common 'romantic era' tactic, using the thirds relationship. Although at glance, it looks like A-flat to E natural is an interval of an augmented 5th. If you flip the interval, it could also be visually seen as G# (en-harmonic of A-flat) down to E, which is a third apart. You may already know this, but we call this a 'chromatic mediant,' and this is a compositional device Schubert and Chopin used often in their works. This is something that was influenced from Beethoven into some Schubert (i.e.: Impromptu Op. 90 No. 2: which moves from E-flat to B Major). And knowing this should lead us into deciding how does that impact the color and character of the key change. What different types of 'motifs' are used here VS before?

      Another interesting aspect of this particular polonaise is how the Introduction (m. 1-16) is just essentially a big V chord elaborated, and the arrival to the actual tonic of A-flat Major does not happen until m. 17. So as an interpretation suggestion: Measures 1-16 is constantly 'searching' and m. 17 should feel like that 'heroic arrival' before we continue to take off even more :).

      Of course, this above is the one of many different types of interpretations you could apply. But you did fantastic work already on the analysis part--now have fun with applying your study notes into finding a new approach to the performance!

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      • Judy_Kuan.1
      • 5 hrs ago
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       Thank you for the helpful feedback and encouragement! I am sure I was taught what a chromatic mediant is/does, but I am also sure I had forgotten because I was wondering why Chopin chose E major for the middle section. Your next step suggestions are really motivating, as I've hit a bit of a plateau in amount/rate of progress I'm making in this piece. 

      • Eloise_Kim
      • 3 hrs ago
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      So happy to hear! Thank you for sharing your insights with us again, and all the best to the next steps! 👋

    • Grace.11
    • 3 hrs ago
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    Hi Dr Kim,  I need help with analysis.  Attached is my annotated Mazurka 47 op 67 no 4.  It has A B C A format.   With A and B in A minor and C in A major. I identified the chords as best I could ( A min, E M, F, B, M, D min, G min) ,but could not discern any underlying logic for changing keys.  I circled measured in red where I saw a deviation from the pattern and would like to understand better.  Thank you very much.  I look forward to your insight 

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