Learning Bach's Invention in C Major

This page is for Tonebase Players ( Levels 2,3,4,5) who are learning to play this beautiful piece by J S Bach. The discussion here is solely on this piece. If you are interested in discussing your strategies and practice methods please feel free to share as you deem fit. All ideas are welcome.

 

Higher level players -there are many many here on Tonebase -  who are fluent in this piece are extremely welcome to provide advice. 

I will start (my level - 2/3 maybe ? ). Heard the piece played by several renowned artists.  Read the piece a few times after that on day 1 then proceeded to do the same for a few more days - what I call the really coarse method.  Recorded the really coarse version as a checkpoint to see if the strategy is working - record again in 4 days and see if anything has changed.  After deciding this piece is perhaps playable in a few weeks/months I have adopted  a strategy and describe my  process. 

1. 1st line RH only ( actually split into 1 measure first then string the rest to a line) -use a metronome at 60 bpm to the quarter note. Play and memorize right away. Close the line and see if there is recall. 

2. Same as 1 but for LH. 

The final tempo is 120 bpm to the quarter note( it is really fast for my level - so  dropped to half speed) 

 

3. Proceed to line 2 in the score only after line 1 is reasonably accurate. Skip ornamentation in the begining.

 

4. Then play both hands together accurately - just the first line. This is quite tough in the beginning. For the first few hours nothing seemed to work.  When I hear the recording I can tell right away that something is off.
 

So far in about a week of practicing this piece everday there is a bit of progress. Quite noticeably from the recording. Need to baseline it in the next couple of days.

If there is interest in this topic I am happy to share anything I read about or come across that may be useful to anyone else learning this piece.  Feel free to post anything that you may think may be useful to others in their learning journey. If there is no interest in this topic I am happy to delete this page promptly. :-)

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    • Andrew_Smith
    • 2 wk ago
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    Hi William -- I have learned this piece during the last year (I am fairly advanced, can play a few Chopin etudes, for example) and I found mental practice on it to be very helpful; can you, in your mind, visualize and know exactly what notes you are playing, perhaps first hand separately, and then together? Also, the climax of the piece on the top of the second page is a bit tricky. It will take extra work. My other advice:

    Forget about a target metronome of 120. Bach did not indicate tempo, and the piece sounds good at various speeds.

    I would learn the ornaments, which are simple, right away. That way you don't have to retrain muscle memory later.

    Structurally, look at the sequences/motifs that Bach uses, and that can help you organize it in your mind. Sing each little musical phrase, then play/enjoy it. 

    It sounds like coordinating the two hands with counterpoint is still tricky for you -- hence this is a perfect learning piece. I would work on the coordination and record yourself only after you can manage the coordination (like, for me, I don't see the point of recording oneself trying to do something one obviously can't do yet).

    Good luck and have fun!

      • Peter_William
      • 10 days ago
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       Hey Andrew! Great to read your response just a while ago. I have seen you play - so know you are very advanced. I have some beginner challenges which I will share here on what is happening.

      I had never played this piece or learned it. So this was  a great test. After the first ghastly coarse reading which I posted - to get rid of shame :-)

      I decided to start a slightly more methodical approach for myself- like what  a teacher would tell me. 

      1. First prioritize memorizing - right away. Because this piece is rather daunting with the voices alternating between right hand and left hand and then both voices together midway through the piece.

      Adopting a conversational style with my imaginary teacher and me being the student

      2.  Teacher : " can you just try the right hand first - one line "? 

          me( Student):  oh let me try .. sorry .. it is not ok 

          Teacher: " ok let's break it down to first 2 bars alone" 

           me: ok I slowed to 1/3 rd time with the metronome and it is sounding ok

      Teacher : "ok now proceed at that tempo and learn next bars.. then do the left hand - same way separately. Then and only then try to put it together 2 bars at a time"

      me: "Thanks teacher that was immensely helpful "

      Then I proceeded to do that every day for the past 15 days and have made a little headway. The memorization is not working past 2 lines so far. But there is progress. 

      Thank you for responding. Do you think there will be any value in posting a video of what is working so far ? If you say so - I will post it here

      Thanks a ton!

    • Andrew_Smith
    • 9 days ago
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    Hi Peter -- thanks for your notes. I think your practice method sounds pretty good. In general I think it's good to play things that are relatively easy for us, things that are close to our limits, and to also explore/ see what's required to play music that is beyond our current capability. One can't get good at harder music without eventually trying it!

    I think there might be value in posting a video, and I'd be happy to watch it.

    Thanks,

    Andrew

      • Peter_William
      • 9 days ago
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       Hi Andrew -- Thanks for your notes. I hope it was funny to read the exchange between my imaginary teacher and student ( myself) - even thought of spicing it up a bit for theatrics ! but decided against it -since attempts at humor are often lost so easily.

      Yes I will post my rather feeble efforts over the weekend in a very short video and request your feedback. This morning whilst driving back I realized a rather fundamental mistake I was doing in reading polyphony - unfortunately it has persisted for a long time but hopefully I should get it corrected in a few days.

      Also found a set of 15 inventions of Bach with the score that seem delightful to try to play - they look about the same level of effort as this one. I am being completely stubborn deliberately and insisting on playing from memory as much as possible. I think I have most of the first page now over the past 10 days.. not sure if this process is linear - which means that that whole piece should be ok by -09/28/ .. There I have already jinxed it by talking about it.. oops..lol!

      • Andrew_Smith
      • 3 days ago
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       Hi Peter! Have you had a chance to make a video of your playing the Bach piece yet? I'll be happy to take a look/listen. Cheers 

      • Peter_William
      • 3 days ago
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       Not yet. But I have been practicing it every day slowly for better clarity. Nearly getting to the first page memorized. I realized that here on TB everyone seems to post only highest quality work and I am guilty of posting fast sloppy work - which no one wants to see. :-). If I get a decent cut with slow practice this evening - will post it - maybe hands separate but clear. Thank you again!

      • Andrew_Smith
      • 3 days ago
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       Thanks for the update, Peter!

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