Group 1

ENHANCE YOUR INTERPRETATIONS THROUGH HARMONIC ANALYSIS WITH BEN LAUDE

Led by tonebase Head of Piano Ben Laude, you’ll also be receiving direct feedback from two special guests: Curtis/Juilliard music theory professor and new tonebase artist Eric Wen and pianist/composer/Indiana University music faculty member and tonebase blogger Nicole DiPaolo!

This Intensive is meant for pianists of different skill levels and music theory backgrounds. If you’re new to music analysis, you’ll find all the prerequisite knowledge you’ll need and more in Ben Laude’s “Music Theory Basics” course.

Whether you’re just getting your feet wet with Roman numeral analysis, want a better grasp of figured bass, or you’re ready to ascend to the high art of Schenkerian analysis, you WILL improve your skills in music theory and analysis.

Assignments

Follow these steps:

  • Submit a piece/passage for approval! Choose a piece of tonal music whose harmony you’d like to understand better. It can be a piece you’re working on, or just one you’d enjoy. For longer works, choose a section that you’d like to focus on. 
  • Attempt a roman numeral analysis! Begin identifying harmonies and labeling them with roman numerals, either directly to your printed score or digitally using a PDF annotation app. See below for more details (1a, 1b)
  • Post your analyses to the thread for feedback! Either take a picture of your handwritten analyses or save a digitally-annotated analyses and upload into the thread below, along with any questions you might have for me, Eric, or Nicole.
  • Recommended: Let's hear how your interpretation evolves with your analysis! Post videos to show how your harmonic understanding is influencing your performance.
  • Optional: Try out formal analysis, chordal reduction, and more! If you've completed a harmonic analysis and are satisfied with it, move on to analyzing the form of your piece, attempt a chordal reduction, or explore other analytic techniques. See below for more details (2, 3, 4)

For printable staff paper, click here!

More instructions:

  • Depending on your music theory background, consider starting at either 1a or 1b and consider how far you'd like to progress beyond harmonic analysis. There's not shame in staying at 1a the whole time!! It can take a while to get the hang of this:

1a. Roman numeral analysis - Diatonic. If you’re new to music analysis, this is a good place to start. Pick a work from the classical period (Mozart, Haydn, Clementi, or Beethoven), identify the key, determine the chord scale, and begin labeling your score with Roman numerals under each distinct harmony. Look out for “non-chord tones,” notes that don’t belong to the given triad or extended chord, but live in between or next door to chord members. When you see accidentals, look for clues in the harmonic progression to help you determine if it's a passing tone/embellishment or if you're entering chromatic harmonic terrain (see 1b). Your piece might modulate, but still remain diatonic to the new key (as in simpler classical works).

1b. Roman numeral analysis - Chromatic. If you’re comfortable analyzing mostly diatonic works from the classical era, consider choosing a romantic piece that features more chromatic progressions (late Beethoven, Schubert, Chopin, Schumann, Liszt, Mendelssohn, Brahms, Grieg, Tchaikovsky). Label your score with Roman numerals, indicating modal mixture, applied chords (secondary dominants/leading tone chords), and modulations. Identify what keys you visit and keep track of how you get there.

2. (Optional) Formal analysis. If you've grasped the harmonic content of your piece/passage, you can then move on to analyzing its larger form – how phrases connect to larger sections, what key areas you visit along the way, and how the composer journeys from the tonic to the dominant and back to tonic over the course of the work. Most 18th-19th century music is in one of the following forms: binary form (A/B), ternary form (A/B/A), and sonata form (exposition/development/recapitulation). Romantic works might have more varied forms.

3. (Optional) Chordal reduction. Using voice leading principles, try constructing a chordal reduction of your piece/passage and be able to play it musically.

4. (Optional) Explore other analytic techniques. If you feel confident in your harmonic and formal analysis, consider strengthening your understanding of figured bass (thoroughbass), species counterpoint, schemas (voice leading patterns), and Schenkerian analysis.

 

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Fellow Participants in Group 1:

 

 

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Frank

Dorian Mearns

Victor Wong

Lc

Christo

Maggie Lam

yoanitadharmawan

Lukas

Maggie

Abril Garza

ALICE

rebecca LAM

Ko

Scott Nguyễn

Angela

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    • Angela
    • Angela.4
    • 2 yrs ago
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    I am also working on Little Prelude in C 939.  Its probably the one out of my pieces that I could analyze (the other is a Chopin Prelude).

    I put the Roman numerals, but also am wondering if this changes to G major and noted where (because of the f#).  I also think there's some V of the V theory that I've heard of, but I do not completely understand - other than G is the V of C and D is the V of G.  

      • ALICE
      • ALICE.1
      • 2 yrs ago
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         Angela First real Bach for me, so quite difficult as well. Maybe I should try Chopin Prelude! I didn't add trill yet. I find it interrupting the melody line as my thumb gets heavy

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    • Lukas
    • Lukas
    • 2 yrs ago
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    Hi everyone! :)

    I just wanted to say hi. I'll need to take care of some stuff at home but then I'll post on what I am currently working on :) 

     

    Looking forward to the next two weeks.

    Lukas

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      • Ben Laude
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      • Ben_Laude
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Hi Lukas , looking forward to hearing what you're working on!

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    • Maggie
    • Maggie
    • 2 yrs ago
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    Hi, at first I wanted to try Haydn Sonata in E minor Hob.XVI:34, but it’s way too complicated for me😓 therefore I tried the second movement of Haydn Sonata in D Hob.XVI:4. I’m not really sure about the non-chord tones, I just tried to give them names😅

      • Ben Laude
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      • Ben_Laude
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Maggie this is excellent. Very thorough. I would say you're ready for the E minor sonata. Could be a good challenge!

      But let's focus on this Menuet/Trio movement first. Just a few comments and suggestions that can strengthen your analysis.

      • First, I appreciate how you use horizontal lines to show the prolongation of harmonies. This helps reveal the harmonic rhythm.
      • Most of your roman numerals are correct – there are a few I'd change, and others that are interpretable. The one thing you don't include is inversion, and I think this is important, since inversions track bass motion (and, in a way, they're our link to the past: we express them with figured bass symbols, which would have been how musicians of the time would have understood this score).
      • Can you go back through and add inversion symbols? Should be pretty easy, since you're clearly already aware of them, otherwise you wouldn't have gotten the roman numerals right. You may already know them, but the symbols are: 6 and 6/4 (stacked vertically) for 1st- and 2nd-inversion triads, respectively, and 6/5, 4/3, and 4/2 for 1st-, 2nd-, and 3rd-inversion seventh chords. So, the viiÂș chord in bar 2 is in 1st inversion, so you'd write viiÂș6.
      • Pretty good work labeling suspensions and non-chord tones! You could be more specific with your labels. The way I learned to write them is similar to writing inversions - you use interval figured, but connected horizontally instead of stacked vertically, and placed over the roman numeral. So over that viiÂș6 chord in bar 2, you'd write 7-6 over it (and it's called a "7-6 suspension"). This makes the 6 of the inversion a bit redundant, but it's okay.
      • Since you have a good grasp of harmony, I suggest starting to think about cadences, phrases, and form. Notice, for example, that that the first 8 bars feature two 4-bar phrases, the first pausing on a so-called "deceptive cadence" (where V moves to vi instead of I). Then the 8 bars end in a "half cadence" (coming to rest on V, labeled "HC"). The other main cadence to look for is the "perfect authentic cadence" (PAC), which is when V resolves to I, both in root position, with the soprano voice resolving by step to scale degree 1.
      • So, your next assignment! Go back through, maybe in a different color ink, labeling cadences and making note of phrase lengths and also the repetition of material. The Menuet is in binary form, so you can label the first 8 bars "A" and the phrase after the double bar "B." But I want you to look at how Haydn handles the B section. Does material come back? Is there new material? If so, where? Make note of anything surprising, asymmetrical, that might defy expectations. These are aspects of the music that might be helpful to articulate, to reveal the distinctiveness of the music. The next step will be to start trying to make them audible: help our ears hear the form, shape, and color of this music!

      Finally, just a few corrections. I wrote a lot, but they're all small things to polish up the good work you've done.

      • I would actually re-write I at the beginning of measure 8. The reason has to do with metrical position and emphasis: even though there are two I chords in a row, the one on the downbeat of 8 is on a strong beat, and is coupled with its resolution on V. It's not a prolongation like in the first bar.
      • In bar 12, I wouldn't call the A an accented passing tone. I think it's a chord tone, and the harmony is actually V7 (V6/5). The reason is, it is the resolution of the G-sharp in the previous bar (viiÂș chords can function as dominants, and have leading tones that like to resolve to scale degree 1). This would make that B a non-chord-tone, and (if I'm not mistaken) it's called an "escape tone" – approached by step, but then leapt away from.
      • In bar 21 we have what's called a "cadential 6/4." Essentially, it's a I chord in second inversion that functions as a dominant (it has scale degree 5 in the bass, and the 6/4 above it resolve to root position V chord. Some theorists actually label both chords "V", and show the 6/4 resolving to 5/3, which is more in keeping with figured bass notation.
      • I'm not sure what you mean in bar 24 when you write "I/IV." It's just plain old IV with a 4-3 suspension. Beat 3 could probably just be thought of as I, with another suspension, or you could just call both notes passing tones on the way to the downbeat of 25.
      • Bar 25, there's an A in there, so you should call it V7 (in inversions). You have other viiÂșs that are actually V7s. Look for them.
      • You could argue that bar 26 is just more tonic. Roman numerals sort of fail in moments like these. Haydn is just using parallel motion to continue the line, but if you exclude the passing tones on beat 2, you have all the notes of a D major triad.
      • In bar 27, it's not right to say "IV/V" (there are only secondary dominants: Vs and viiÂșs, no secondary tonics or pre-dominants). Just call it I, which can at the same time be labeled as IV as the first chord of your modulation. We'd consider this a "pivot" chord, since it belongs both to the key we came from and the one we're moving to.
      • Your analysis of bar 28 shows the perils of roman numeral analysis! You could argue that the whole bar is V6/5, with beat 2 as passing tones and the last F-sharp an anticipation tone that resolves in the next bar. It's definitely not right to assign a unique harmony to beat 3. Play it and you'll notice that it doesn't sound like a ii chord, but just an extension of the dominant sonority traced through the measure.
      • I'd say bar 31 still begins in A. Our ears don't know we're in D yet, certainly. You could say that it's a pivot chord, and label it both I in A and V in D. Then beat 3 consummates the modulation.
      • Bar 32 is a classic example of "voice exchange." And you're right to call it all I.
      • The neighbor tones in cars 37, 39, and 40 could be considered chord tones.
      • Bar 41: good! You call the cadential 6/4 all "V," rather than I6/4 - V (which would also be accurate).
      • Bar 42 is has a deceptive feel to it, since scale degree 5 steps up to 6. Not the easiest bar for roman numerals to capture, but technically you could call it vi7, viiÂș and I.
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      • Maggie
      • Maggie
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Ben Laude Thank you very much Ben ! This is a very detailed explanation, I already learned a lot reading this. I’ll try to go back through it.  Thanks again!

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      • Maggie
      • Maggie
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Ben Laude Hello Ben, I just polished my work a bit. I kept the old work in red, the polished one in blue, and about the phrases and structure in green, so it’s a bit too crowded, sorry about that.

      And also I have some questions:

      1. Should we expect a different key in the Trio section?

      2. In b.26 and b.32, which labelling is more preferred? Simply I for the whole bar or a more particular labelling I 6/4 on the first beat and I on the third beat?

      3. Is it necessary to show the pivot chord each time when there’s a modulation or just label the chord in the new key?

      4. The last F-sharp in b.28 is an anticipation tone? I’m a bit confused.

      5. For the cadential 6/4 in b.21, 29, 41, is it more preferable to label as V 6/4 - 5/3 than I 6/4 - V?

      About the form:

      Menuet

      A section — two 4-bar phrases, the first one ends with a deceptive cadence while the second ends with a half cadence.

      B section — one 4-bar phrase using only dominant harmony.

      A’ section — the expected second 4-bar phrase has only two bars and followed by another 4-bar phrase with new material and ends with a perfect authentic cadence.

      Trio

      A section — two 4-bar phrases, the first ends with an imperfect authentic cadence, the second ends with a perfect authentic cadence.

      B section — one 4-bar phrase ends with an imperfect authentic cadence.

      A’ section — some asymmetrical phrases here, the first 4-bar phrase has been slimmed down to 3 bars, followed by two 1-bar sequences (of b.37) and a 5-bar phrase with new material.

       

      Thanks!

      • Ben Laude
      • Head of Piano @ tonebase
      • Ben_Laude
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Maggie Very very very good. Very detailed, your formal analysis is sound, and thank you for the colors. One tiny thing: you don't need to write I6/V in bar 38. You can just write V6. But I knew what you mean, and it's technically not wrong, but just letting you know the convention.

       

      Maggie said:
      1. Should we expect a different key in the Trio section?

       No, not necessarily. But you'll see trios in the dominant.

       

      Maggie said:
      2. In b.26 and b.32, which labelling is more preferred? Simply I for the whole bar or a more particular labelling I 6/4 on the first beat and I on the third beat?

       I for the whole bar is fine. But if you want, you could call the first on I6/4 and the second one I6. But those inversions aren't so important in this case - they're not functioning in any special way. What matters is that I is outlined.

       

      Maggie said:
      3. Is it necessary to show the pivot chord each time when there’s a modulation or just label the chord in the new key?

       If there's a clear pivot chord, it's worth labeling it. There's no "right answers" to this kind of thing. Only more or less useful ways to express what you're hearing. Showing a pivot chord is a way of showing a moment of ambiguity in the music, where one key area overlaps with another one that it's modulating to.

      Maggie said:
      4. The last F-sharp in b.28 is an anticipation tone? I’m a bit confused.

       Yeah that's a little misleading. I take that back. Just call it a non chord tone. Eric or Nicole might have a better name for it. You could also, I guess, think of it as an extension of the E dominant harmony - a 9th above the root.

       

      Maggie said:
      5. For the cadential 6/4 in b.21, 29, 41, is it more preferable to label as V 6/4 - 5/3 than I 6/4 - V?

       Eric Wen will talk about this. The most accurate way to describe the function of what's going on is V 6/4-5/3. But this is not often taught in schools. I didn't learn it that way, and it wasn't until grad school that I met theorists who argued that it is better.

       

      Maggie said:
      A section — two 4-bar phrases, the first ends with an imperfect authentic cadence, the second ends with a perfect authentic cadence.

       I don't hear that as an IAC. Not every V-I is a cadence.

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      • Nicole
      • Nicole
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      Ben Laude Maggie Hello! Ben's point that "not every V-I is a cadence" is so important and something it took me a while to get around as a student.

      I do think that there "should" have been a cadence where you pointed it out--in measure 26--but for some reason Haydn felt like covering it up that day. The fact that he's doing something a little "abnormal" here makes it interesting (the idea that abnormal/non-normative characteristics add interest is basically the premise behind Hepokoski and Darcy's important work on sonata theory). The normative thing to do is to have a cadence there, so the fact that Haydn didn't articulate an obvious one makes this passage more interesting to us.

      Re: the F# in measure 28, I might call it either a chordal skip (if you hear it as part of the third articulated on each quarter note beat, filling out what would be a triad and hiding potentially harsh parallel fifths) or a metrically displaced upper neighbor to the E. Sometimes these things can be ambiguous if the composer is playing with the meter, as Haydn would do sometimes.

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      • Ben Laude
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      • Ben_Laude
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Nicole Great points! Early Haydn is pretty strange - in a good way. You think it's simple and formulaic and then you realize has was always up to something. I need to spend more time with it.

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    • Christo
    • Christo
    • 2 yrs ago
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    Hi Ben and all, I am a beginner piano learner and I love the melody of FÜR ELISE so much, so I made my first try to this score. And since I know A minor is the relative minor of C major, that means they share the same notes but I don't know why it has "#" in the score?

      • Ben Laude
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      • Ben_Laude
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Christo Your analysis is quite good! Nice job. A few things. The first it pretty fundamental: you have lowercase and uppercase roman numerals switched around. The minor chord scale is labeled like this:

      i   iiÂș   III   iv  V (when there's a raised 7th scale degree, in this case G-sharp )  VI   VII

      Another thing: it's better to place roman numerals under the staff you're analyzing, since harmony grows from the bottom up.

      Otherwise, all your numerals were correct! I wonder if the bars with E-D#-E-D#, etc, actually need a roman numeral, but I like your idea that it's all just i.

      Next, you might go back through and ask yourself: where does Beethoven use "non chord tones" – notes that don't belong to the chords that get labels. For example, what to make of the C in bar 7, since that note isn't part of an E major triad? Maybe go through and circle the ones you find. Play them slowly with the surrounding harmony. Can you hear their dissonance. These are very expressive moments, especially because they are leapt up to. You'll see that Beethoven repeats this same kind of leap, but in different places over different harmonies. It's part of what makes bars 10-13 so beautiful.

      I have a challenge for you. Can you play the harmonic progression you've labeled, but with block chords that stay close together? Don't spread out all over the keyboard like Beethoven asks. Just see if you can play the harmonies by themselves, and try to make it sound musical. Then, if you're feeling bold, try playing it in a different key!

      Have you continued learning the rest of the piece? Are there other pieces you'd like to analyze? There's more we could do with this first page, but I'd like to know what you want to do.

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      • Christo
      • Christo
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Ben Laude Thankyou so much for your comments and explanation! Even though I come across some problems in the score because I haven't so much musical background, I try to analyse the score again and made a revised version for your comment. I want to understand more about how to appreciate a piece of music and to exploring is that has any rules behind in it to make the music so beautiful. Thanks again!

      • Ben Laude
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      • Ben_Laude
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Christo I like your revisions! I think it's fine where you labeled notes "passing tones." Those are tricky, because they're approached by a leap, but I think they having a passing function.

      I don't quite agree with these: 

      Those just look like passing tones to me, not extensions (add 9 / add 4). And the F isn't a sus, technically. It wasn't suspended from any harmony before that contained that note. Rather, I also think it's passing: imagine that lower G were a higher G... instead of leaping up, you'd step right down and pass through the F.

      Same here. These are chromatic neighbor tones, not raised-7ths above E: 

      Do you see why? They're not functioning harmonically. They're just decorating the E.

      IMPORTANT! This is the beginning of a modulation to a new key.

      What key do you think we're moving to? Hint: what key has C dominant 7th as its dominant chord (the chord built on the 5th scale degree)?

      The other big hint is harmony in bar 25. This is the new tonic:

      So, instead of VI, this is I. Label what key you're in now, and re-analyze 25-36 with that new tonic!

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      • Christo
      • Christo
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Ben Laude Thank you for your guiding and hints. I have made another revision for your comments. Thanks!

      • Ben Laude
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      • Ben_Laude
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Christo Nice effort! Let me help you with the second page:

      • First, on the 2nd repeat before page 2, you can start analyzing in F. We get the dominant of F major there (C-dom7). Write "F:" under those final thre chords and call them: V7 - I - V7, and that will bring you to the start of the second section on I in F on page 2.
      • Bar 26: The non-chord-tones are fooling you hear. Focus on the chord outlines in the left hand, which in root position would be Bb-D-F. That's a B-flat major chord. What roman numeral is that in F?
      • Bar 27: now, you need to see that Beethoven is using what's called a "pedal tone" here. The tonic note, F, is present in the bass throughout this line. I would write "tonic pedal" and analyze the chords you see above it. Sometimes F is in the chord, like in 25-26. But in 27, It's not. Ignoring the scale (which must contain passing tones), what harmony is an E-G-Bb chord? And what would its roman numeral be in F?
      • You wrote ii for those bars, but a ii chord in F is a G minor triad (G-Bb-D), and I don't see those three notes together here.
      • Bar 30: A new modulation begins here. Play or listen to the music from here. Where is the next strong-sounding cadence? (Last one we had was in bar 25 when we cadenced in F) Hint: the music speeds up when you land in the new key. Identify that key, and then re-analyze from bar 30 using the roman numerals from that chord scale.
      • In general, you're missing seventh chords and labeling them as incorrect triads. Take your chord scale in a minor, or in F major, and add a fourth note to every triad, another skip above the top note. Those are your diatonic 7th chords (7th chords made using notes in a given key). The most important one is V7 (which requires raising the 7th scale degree in minor), and that's the one that you find here, in both A minor and C major.
      • Check out my last two lessons in my Music Theory Basics course, where I go in depth on triads, 7th chords, and how they function in different keys.
      • Bar 36: Correct! We're modulating back to A minor! And Beethoven uses and E major chord to get there. What roman numeral is E major in A minor? (Hint: use the harmonic minor scale to identify it - raising the 7th scale degree, G, to G-sharp).
      • Bar 61: I like how you analyze this! Showing that chords are changing over an A pedal. You could just write "tonic pedal" and a horizontal bar.
      • Bar 62: First, use lowercase for diminished triads, like you do for minor triads. Second, it's not actually viiÂș/i in a minor. It's a "secondary" chord taken from the chord scale of D minor, the iv chord, which you correctly label in bar 63. Look at the D minor chord scale, using the raised seventh, and you'll find that C#-E-G-Bb is viiÂș7. So, the proper way to analyze this bar is viiÂș7/iv.
      • Bar 64: Yes, it's diminished. What is G#-B-D-F in a minor? (using the harmonic minor scale)
      • Bar 66-67: I like that you take note of the bass line walking up chromatically! Now, how do we account for the D#? Again, it's a "secondary" chord that pretends momentarily like some harmony besides A minor is our tonic. In this case, it pretends that E (V) is our tonic, and borrows viiÂș7 from the E chord scale, making this viiÂș7/V.
      • Bar 68: This is a "cadential 6/4" in a minor. It uses an inverted tonic chord, but it functions as (and sounds like) a decorated V chord.
      • Bar 73: This is a great surprise. He lifts us to bII (flat major II), which is nicknamed the "Neapolitan." Usually neapolitans are in first inversion, but this one is unusual. Really, he's just walking up chromatically through the neapolitan on the way to viiÂș7 (in first inversion, so 6/5 are the figures) moving back to the tonic (i6). Then, finally, V-i, a prolongation of i with the chromatic scale over top, and a return to opening material.

      This is some advanced stuff! If any of it made sense, that's great. See what you can understand, and let me know what questions you have.

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      • Christo
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Ben Laude Thank you very much for your detailed explanation and teaching! I have generated a revision for your comment but some points are really advanced for me!

      -For bar 30: I really hadn’t noticed that a new modulation begins again until you reminded me. But I’m still not sure I wrote C add 13 is correct or not? Pls correct me! 
      -Bar 68: What means “cadential 6/4”?
      -Bar 73: I totally get confusing about “Neapolitan” đŸ˜”đŸ’« I think my level is too elementary to understand this musical term. 😅 

      But anyway, thanks for your kind teaching and your “Music Theory Basics course” are a great tool for me to step into the door of music theory. 😊Thanks again!

  • Hello all,

    I chose Bach PF Eb minor as I am working on the proper phrasing of this piece and would like to make sense of it harmonically.  I only analyzed 1 page of the fugue (D# minor)
     

    The circled notes are the Non Chord tones.  

      • Ben Laude
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      • Ben_Laude
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Victor Wong I'm happy to help you with this, but as I mentioned in the video above, fugues are not the best for practicing roman numeral analysis. Instead, you want to label key areas and label the subject entrances, countersubjects, sequences, inversions, augmentation, and all the techniques composers used in fugues. Roman numerals don't work as well because you're almost never using triadic harmony.

      The prelude that accompanies this fugue (Eb minor) would actually be a very very good piece to practice roman numeral analysis on. Would you be willing to look at that with me?

      Again, I'll take a look at how you analyzed this fugue - but I need to wait for tomorrow morning.

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    • Ben Laude I realized the vertical analysis of the fugue does not quite help after watching your video.  I have already looked into the entries of the subjects and  have been trying to be aware of where the cadences are in the fugue.  I find it tricky to express the closing to the phrase when the next subject or answer starts on the cadence.  Also there are a few areas with strettos or deceptive cadences which I had missed when I started playing it that my teacher had to point out.  Because this fugue is quite long, I am trying to understand how the entire piece should unfold and where emphasis should be placed at times.

       

      I attempted to put into Roman numerals half the prelude.  There are couple of the Non-chord tones where Bach anticipates the diminished chord in the next beat.  Is there a name for those?

      • Ben Laude
      • Head of Piano @ tonebase
      • Ben_Laude
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Victor Wong Here's some feedback on the Prelude analysis. If you end up marking key areas/cadences in the fugue, feel free to post!

      • Bar 3: I'd call the whole thing viiÂș (opening with that beautiful bass suspension). Yes, you get a B-flat on the final 16th note of the bar, but it's such a weak/passing note, and virtually the whole bar has gone by, that what we "feel" is diminished viiÂș
      • Bar 5: When you land on the G-flat chord, you could label it III6 (note the inversion). Then, when the F-flat appears, we realize it's tonicizing VI. It's worth noting the first inversion because it points to the bass motion from sd5 to 6.
      • Bar 10: A modulation begins here. The D-flat is really a passing tone to C-natural, so I wouldn't really call it a 7th chord. This is your pivot chord to the new key. That C-natural you circled is an anticipation tone to the harmony in Bar 11, which is viiÂș7 in your new key.
      • Can you take it from there and re-analyze the rest of the page in the new key? There is a clear V-i cadence coming up in the new key, and it's reinforce.
      • Bach modulates one more time at the bottom of the page, before turning back towards the original tonic. You'll need to identify that modulation as well
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    • Ben Laude thanks for the feedback!  Yes, i should have modulated, seeing how they remained in that key for quite a few bars and then ended in a cadence.  I will redo them and finish off page 2.  Hope to record and upload the playing as well.

       

      Where I see this changes my playing is where I would lean into the vii chord or get softer on the cadence to end the phrase.

      With regards to some of the individual notes, I would avoid accenting on the passing notes but they are also mostly on the offbeats.

      Does that make sense?

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    • Ben Laude I revised some of the chords as per your suggestion on the Page 1 and finished up Page 2.  Will try to record my playing, "closing off" on the cadences, leaning into the diminished 7th chords, and giving attention to the chord tones vs. non-chord tones.  

    • Ben Laude playing with the harmonic analysis, paying attention to the cadences and leading notes.

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    I'm working on BeethovenOp110 2nd mvt. I just started on some of it.   Some interesting mode-mixture.   On the 2nd line, there's an augmented-chord that I'm a bit stump on  (red highlighted). 

     

    I'm probably work on Schumann Kresleiriana next since I'm learning it.  Strangely, this is the first time to put what I learn in theory class into the pieces I'm learning on the piano.

     

    edited: I was not entirely happy with my earlier analysis of V V/V  V on measure 5-8. I now added an alternative where it modulates to Cmaj with a I-V-I (PAC).    This agrees more with how I feel it -  a swing between F minor and C major. This phrase, as I understand,  is from a German folksong (Unsa KĂ€tz hĂ€d Katz’ln g’habt (Our cat has had kittens).  

     

    p/s correction: This is the 2nd movement, not 3rd. Pardon my earlier mistake. 

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