Piano Manufacturers and Brands: A discussion!

Hello Everyone! 

Here is a place for us to chat about our favorite pianos, questions, and general conversation!

 

What instruments have you loved playing lately? Which brands surprised you (in a good or bad way)? Have your preferences changed over time as your ears and technique developed?

 

Feel free to share:
• Your favorite grands or uprights you’ve played  
• Differences you notice between brands in touch or color  
• Hidden gems or underrated makers  
• Questions you have if you’re shopping or comparing instruments  

No right answers here — just experiences and impressions. Curious to hear what everyone is playing and why it speaks to you.

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    • Roger_Ward
    • 5 mths ago
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    I owned a Baldwin L but really wanted a Steinway B.  I looked for five years and finally found one that would not let go of my heart and brain.  It was a worthwhile purchase.  

    A couple a weeks ago, about ten of us who met via Tonebase (Thank you, Dominic) toured the Steinway Factory in Astoria, NY -from the  kind courtesy of the Steinway dealer in Columbus, OH, Graves Piano.

    It was jaw dropping to see the meticulousness of these pianos being built by smiling employees. I spoke to several. They had worked there for over 30 years, loved it, and have no intention of retiring.

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       I don't entirely understand Roger's post. 

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 5 mths ago
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       well now that I read it more carefully I think he was indeed proposing that Peter start manufacturing pianos, and a tuning school business. I believe he does do tuning already.

      In my opinion, Clavierhaus is a good brand name for a restoring shop and tuning school, but not for a piano.

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      • clavierhaus_Vienna
      • 5 mths ago
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       What's the point of your posting other than sarcasm with the intention of hitting below the belt?

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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      I don't understand his post either. 

      Clavierhaus means "piano house" in German.

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 5 mths ago
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       I know that! And that's why I said in my opinion it's a good name for a shop and school but perhaps not for a piano brand 

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       I wasn't saying you didn't know what it meant. I agree that it would be an odd name for a brand. 

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    • Maria_F
    • 5 mths ago
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    Those of you who have visited piano factories, which ones? And if you haven't visited any, do you want to/plan to visit any? If so, which ones?

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    • Maria_F
    • 5 mths ago
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     said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LKw8tds7is is not for the weak. I watch this and start weeping about the full and systematic destruction of the interplay between Lanolin and Keratin. And every US technician thinks that this is the way to voice a piano.

    I saw a video once of someone trying to voice a Bösendorfer Imperial with a clothing iron, a fistful of needles that they randomly poked the hammers with, and E6000 glue (I have no idea why) and it sounded much worse afterwards. That is definitely "chemical voodoo." 

    • Noel_Nguyen
    • 5 mths ago
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     said:
    I don't understand his post either. 

    It seems most of us agree that it was a confusing post to say the least. First there's mention of business models, then the lanolin and keratin, then back to business ideas then manufacturing pianos then a tuning school. So I don't feel too bad about misreading it at first. Many topics!

    • Virginia_Young
    • 5 mths ago
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    My favorite piano is the Bluthner (don't see how to add an umlaut on my keyboard), and I was lucky enough to buy a Model 10 last fall.  The touch is very light, and the sound is truly golden, especially in the alto and tenor.

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       I have never played a Blüthner. I don't know what kind of computer you have, but on a Mac you can press option+u and then type the vowel. 

      • Andrew_Smith
      • 5 mths ago
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       I think the Beatles used a Blüthner to record "Let It Be" and a few other songs at EMI studios. But of course voicing for pop music is usually different (more metallic and bright) from classical (warmer). 

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       I don't listen to pop music, but pianos are definitely voiced differently for non-classical music. 

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       François Dumont's album Clair De Lune was recorded on Debussy's Blüthner. 

      Menuet from Suite Bergamasque

      • Andrew_Smith
      • 5 mths ago
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       Cool, thank you. I will try to take a listen.

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    • Marcia_Richards
    • 5 mths ago
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    I love my Yamaha S3 X which I purchased as a gift to myself after my husband died.

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       The SX line is by far Yamaha's best line, in my opinion. 

      • Roger_Ward
      • 5 mths ago
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       Hi Marcia,  I am sorry you husband died, but I am thrilled you were kind to yourself and got a piano.  

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      • Marcia_Richards
      • 5 mths ago
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       Thanks Roger. I was fortunate in that my husband lived to be 96 which was great since there was an age difference between us. He was retired trumpet teacher from the University of Wisconsin and would have been very happy that I bought a piano that I liked. I had a Yamaha 3cx before in Milwaukee and I gave that to the symphony for use in the atrium. I bought the SX for my home in Utah where I now live full-time. I didn't want to spend several years playing a baby grand that I wasn't fond of. Both I and the Milwaukee Symphony benefited

      • Roger_Ward
      • 5 mths ago
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       Marcia,  you have a golden heart.  Go Bucky Badger!

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       Did he teach jazz trumpet or classical trumpet? 

    • Senior Pianist and Figure Skater
    • Marcia_Richards
    • 5 mths ago
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    My husband talked primarily classical trumpet. Before going to Wisconsin he had played first trumpet in the Lyric Opera Orchestra and subbed with the Chicago Symphony Under Reiner. He was also one of the founders of the international trumpet guild 

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       Ok. Again, I apologize if that was an odd question. I am not very familiar with the International Trumpet Guild, but that is interesting. 

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    • FRANZ_SCHUBERT
    • 5 mths ago
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    My interest in pianos has been severally restricted only by my lack of copious amounts of money and a proper home(s) to put these instruments in.  Responding here is therapy for me as I love to dream.  Please don't wake me up as reality is pretty depressing.  If the above two issues could be addressed this is what I would do based on what I know today.

    My dream is to own a minimum of five pianos but would settle on just five if times were hard as a presumed billionaire.  These are in order of my current preferences:

    1) Bösendorfer:  290 Imperial and / or 280VC and / or 230VC

    2) Fazioli: F278 and / or F228

    3) C. Bechstein: D-282 and / or C-234

    4) Steingraeber & Söhne:  E and / or D-232

    5) Steinway:  Hamburg D 

    6). I would love to own a Blüthner, Schimmel, or Seiler once I had the above.

    Full disclosure:  I do not live in an area where any of these pianos are accessible or available (especially in the concert grand sizes I would want.). I have not had the opportunity to play any of the models listed.  However, I have been researching and gathering information for a lifetime.  I have owned a Steinway B (New York) for more than 22 years and a Steinway Model 1098 upright before that for about 8 years.  Before that Baldwin uprights and grew up on old uprights of various no names.  Today, as of three months ago, I play on a Bösendorfer 225.

    The most important thing I know about any piano you own is that any brand can shine if you have the right piano technician on your payroll (plus you have to have some knowledge yourself to know what you want within tasteful realms).  This, even if you live in a large city with representation of all the big names is still not a given.  In fact, I'm confident to say that finding someone to make your piano sing as it should is maybe the most rare thing.  Today, I know very few in the new school who can tune by ear.  Next, most have no idea how to regulate the action and fewer even can voice properly.  To be fair, I don't mean that no one broadly knows how to do any of these functions.  They do.  I mean those who walk on water and KNOW how to deliver what you ask of them and not just performing some generic procedure.   A piano whisperer, so to speak.

    The next most important thing is the room.  Many people point their finger at a brand and say things (good or bad) and leave it at that.  I believe the room is essentially the culprit to blame in most cases closely following if not equal to the technician issue in importance.  Of course, everyone here probably has the same problem.  Our homes are what they are and so this problem is big and not easily fixed.  Currently I am trying to look into fixing some problems with room treatments to try and improve the situation even in a small way.

    Obviously, the main problem for us is that most pianos overpower a small rectangular box we put them in in our homes.  This is sad because in the right room most of these pianos can sound great.  And how something sounds is the most important aspect of making music for me.  Most concert grands are voiced to fill a hall.  Yet, I'm sure there are substantially more pianos in homes than in concert halls.  Don't manufacturers know this?

    The action is, along with the above, the next most important aspect.  As with the sound quality, I suppose the touch and how an instrument plays is very subjective, to a point.  However, given that the action is regulated correctly, changing the room you play in will affect our sense of how heavy or light you feel the action is, for instance.

    The reason I am striving for large pianos is for the bass quality and overtones and sustain only possible from large soundboards.  Also, the key length and actions lead to the best touch possible.

    Workmanship of the instrument is important to me.  Today, it seems workmanship is rising across the board in general but what you see on the outside isn't always what is true of the inside or unseen parts.  Maybe Steinway New York is improving in quality today, or so I've been told, but my early 2000's model may have been built using an axe to cut some pieces underneath or inside that you mostly didn't look at (OK I'm exaggerating).  When I look at Bösendorfer or Fazioli today it is just beautiful, inside and out.  They are exceptional but of course, you pay dearly for this level of quality.

    Of course, I live in a rough environment, weather wise, with a 70 to 80 degrees C swing that is possible through the seasons of the year.  July could be hot or even humid and January can be very dry and cold.  This is brutal on an instrument made largely from wood.  I can get a tuning today and in two days the struggle begins again and the action here and there starts to react in a bad way.  Hence, my dream of living in a proper castle er estate er home with climate controls to control the temperature and humidity would be ideal for a piano(s). 

    The reason that I want so many pianos is that I believe now that different pianos (even within the same brand and model) play differently.  I'm really fascinated though that in general you could say that certain brands are better for different composers and different periods of music (baroque vs romantic etc).  A subjective notion but this is a very compelling reason for me to dream about multiple pianos.  

    Some pianos might be good at a broad range of music.  Consider yourself lucky if this is the case for you because you'll easily be pleased and won't find the need to chase fantasies.  However, the negative to this is it may be good for many things but is the master of nothing.

    Although it is early days, I believe my Bösendorfer 225 is a specialist piano.  It is exceptional at some things and struggles with other things.  Hence, why I dream of the next piano someday to partner with this one.   

    I miss my Steinway B.  If I could have, I would have kept it as well in order to reach my five piano goal.  I loved its bass quality for some music with its warm but growly bass.  It was very easy to play with its light and quick action.  I could play most composers on it fairly reasonably.

    The Bösendorfer 225 excels in the music of Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Schubert, and Beethoven, in my opinion.  I'm still exploring actually, but in January for the Romantic Challenge I dipped into Schubert and now I'm obsessed.  That's all I play now.  Previously, I liked Schubert obviously but I was also playing Rachmaninoff and Scriabin and Debussy etc. because the piano invited this kind of playing too.

    Basically, I would say that my Bösendorfer has a pinpoint clarity and warmth about it's tone, especially the higher you go.  It excels in music that doesn't call for pedal or very little pedal.  This might be related to the room?  I don't like the bass for bigger late 19th century music as much but for older Austrian-Germanic music it is sublime.  It has a unique sound that you will find on no other instrument.  

    So I guess I'm stuck with the Austrian boys until I pay this one off and work for piano # 2, 3, 4, & 5.....

    Maybe a Fazioli or C. Bechstein would fill in the gaps for Chopin, Debussy and Rachmaninoff etc.

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       You have a Bösendorfer 225? I played one once and loved it. I personally prefer the 225s to the VC series in general. I have a Seiler. I think they are very underrated.

       said:

      Today, I know very few in the new school who can tune by ear.  Next, most have no idea how to regulate the action and fewer even can voice properly.  To be fair, I don't mean that no one broadly knows how to do any of these functions.  They do.  I mean those who walk on water and KNOW how to deliver what you ask of them and not just performing some generic procedure.   A piano whisperer, so to speak.

      My tech, who tunes by ear, always tunes a few unisons and octaves and asks for feedback before she continues to tune. She always tunes the piano perfectly.

       said:
      The Bösendorfer 225 excels in the music of Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Schubert, and Beethoven, in my opinion.

      I would expect that. The 225 I played also did very well with Debussy and Chopin.

      Also, have you listened to/played Ignaz Pleyl/Pleyel's music? He actually composed a lot, but some of his music was attributed to Haydn, such as his Piano Trio in C Major. He composed for solo piano, too. 

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