Piano Manufacturers and Brands: A discussion!

Hello Everyone! 

Here is a place for us to chat about our favorite pianos, questions, and general conversation!

 

What instruments have you loved playing lately? Which brands surprised you (in a good or bad way)? Have your preferences changed over time as your ears and technique developed?

 

Feel free to share:
• Your favorite grands or uprights you’ve played  
• Differences you notice between brands in touch or color  
• Hidden gems or underrated makers  
• Questions you have if you’re shopping or comparing instruments  

No right answers here — just experiences and impressions. Curious to hear what everyone is playing and why it speaks to you.

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    • hot4euterpe
    • 3 wk ago
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    Often the discussion about pianos focuses on the quality of the sound (of course!) or affordability. I live in central BC, Canada and I have learned to really value customer care and servicing access since the major urban centres are in the south of the province. I can say my experience with Yamaha has been nothing short of phenomenal. I am quite particular and my technician here recommended Yamaha for this reason. I had an issue with one piano's pedal and they upgraded me to a YUS-5 because they wanted me to be happy with my piano - they shipped it to me directly from their factory. Three years later, they allowed me to trade it back at full value to put toward my current piano, a C2X studio grand. 

    I would absolutely love a steinway as I played on them regularly at university and they just seem to fit my playing so perfectly. However, the C2X is really quite beautiful and really fits better for where I live and what I have access to for support. Definitely worth keeping in mind since a piano is going to need a lot of care to keep the action regulated and the tone sounding its best.

    • Tanya
    • 3 wk ago
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    Steinway is my favorite in both uprights and grands of varying sizes. It has an amazingly sonorous sound. I’ve played on many different brands. Yamaha is my second favorite. 

    • Andrew_Smith
    • 2 wk ago
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    Certainly an interesting thread here, with lots of good new information. Thanks. (And I think a better place for it than during the livestream.)  1. To me the inertia weight of the keys is extremely important. Our Baldwin 6 foot from the mid-1980s has marvellous tone but it is difficult to play extended fast runs/etudes without developing a bad habit of trying to muscle the fingers. I suspect most players who develop into real virtuosos did not learn on super heavy actions. 2. To the average listener/non-aficiando, I think most grand pianos all sound about the same; 3. Best piano I have ever played was a Fazioli baby grand. It had a perfect action and great tone control. 4. Falcone (I think out of Boston, Massachusetts) made some great pianos in I think the 1990s. 5. Maria, it sounds like you could open a piano shop! :)

    • Maria_F
    • 2 wk ago
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     said:
    1. To me the inertia weight of the keys is extremely important. Our Baldwin 6 foot from the mid-1980s has marvellous tone but it is difficult to play extended fast runs/etudes without developing a bad habit of trying to muscle the fingers. I suspect most players who develop into real virtuosos did not learn on super heavy actions.

     I agree; most Baldwins I have played have been slow/unresponsive/stiff. My Seiler has a heavier action but is quite fast and responsive. I actually think heavier actions are easier to control sometimes, as long as they are also fast. 

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    2. To the average listener/non-aficiando, I think most grand pianos all sound about the same

    I can usually tell the brand and model by sound, and also visually, but I think a lot of people can't. I think most people can learn to identify pianos, though!

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    3. Best piano I have ever played was a Fazioli baby grand. It had a perfect action and great tone control.

    I have played an F228 and an F308. The F228 seemed "uncooperative" and I think it had a lot of potential but may not have wanted me to play it!

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    4. Falcone (I think out of Boston, Massachusetts) made some great pianos in I think the 1990s. 

    I know there is a company called Falcone that manufactures stencil pianos in China. I believe they are owned by Parsons. Are they related?

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    5. Maria, it sounds like you could open a piano shop! :)

    I want to be a piano tech. Maybe I will open a piano shop at some point! 

      • Andrew_Smith
      • 2 wk ago
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       Thanks for your reply and comments Maria. Falcone was sort of like Fazioli, putting out only a limited number of finely crafted pianos, but then it got sold or went out of business, so maybe that's the China connection. 

      • Maria_F
      • 2 wk ago
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       Yes, they were sold to Parsons and now make stencil pianos. 

    • Noel_Nguyen
    • 2 wk ago
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     said:
    most Baldwins I have played have been slow/unresponsive/stiff. My Seiler has a heavier action but is quite fast and responsive. I actually think heavier actions are easier to control sometimes, as long as they are also fast. 

    Have you tried the SD-10? It has a Renner action and mine is actually on the light side, which is ideal for me. It's actually lighter than that of the excellent M&H BB on which I made a recording last year.

      • Maria_F
      • 2 wk ago
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       Yes. I thought it was light but also stiff, and the tone was "brighter" than what I was looking for; I generally prefer European pianos.

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 2 wk ago
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       I agree that its tone is not for everybody. Extreme in the darkness and extreme in the brightness at the same time. I compare it to listening to a recording with an equalizer on which the bass and treble have been ramped up. Yet I love this sound, rich and vibrant.

      • Maria_F
      • 2 wk ago
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       I agree with your comparison. Seilers are often described as "dark" and "warm," and they have a distinctive clarity in the upper treble.

      • Andrew_Smith
      • 2 wk ago
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      Yeah, the 7 foot and up have the Renner action and those are great.

    • Maria_F
    • 2 wk ago
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    It would be interesting to know the knee height of everyone's pianos. 

    • Maria_F
    • 2 wk ago
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    Where is your piano on this chart?

    from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMd7wD_YpR4:

    • Maria_F
    • 2 wk ago
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    Another question for everyone:

    Which piano do you think is best for each composer's music?

    For example: Bösendorfer for Debussy and Ravel

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 2 wk ago
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      My very personal choices:

      JS Bach: Yamaha CFX

      Mozart: Bösendorfer 225

      Beethoven: Hamburg Steinway D

      Schubert: M&H A

      Schumann, Scriabin, Ravel, Debussy: SK-EX

      Chopin: M&H BB 

      Brahms : M&H CC

      Liszt: Fazioli F308

      Rachmaninoff: M&H CC and Baldwin SD-10

      Prokofiev: Bechstein D282

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      I only went with pianos I have actually played/tried. Sorry for the overrepresentation (perhaps!) of M&H, but it just happens to be one of my very favorite brands.

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      • clavierhaus_Vienna
      • 2 wk ago
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       Bechstein D282

      That's probably the most underrated concert grand there is.

      • Maria_F
      • 2 wk ago
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       I do not think M&H works well for Schubert or Chopin. I would definitely say Bösendorfer for Schubert. Fazioli for Liszt is interesting. I think Seilers are very versatile and work well for many composers. 

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 2 wk ago
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       It's ok to disagree, and I wholeheartedly do with you about those matters based on personal taste AND experience. kindly😁. I can agree that I have particular tastes.

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 2 wk ago
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       Totally agreed. I would be very happy to play and record any repertoire on it, certainly not just Prokofieff. And I was quite upset when all the contestants who chose it at the lastest Chopin competition were eliminated early.

      • Maria_F
      • 2 wk ago
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       said:

      And I was quite upset when all the contestants who chose it at the lastest Chopin competition were eliminated early.

      Me too!

      • Maria_F
      • 2 wk ago
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        I agree that we have different tastes! I tend to prefer European pianos to American pianos. 

    • Roger_Ward
    • 2 wk ago
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    I owned a Baldwin L but really wanted a Steinway B.  I looked for five years and finally found one that would not let go of my heart and brain.  It was a worthwhile purchase.  

    A couple a weeks ago, about ten of us who met via Tonebase (Thank you, Dominic) toured the Steinway Factory in Astoria, NY -from the  kind courtesy of the Steinway dealer in Columbus, OH, Graves Piano.

    It was jaw dropping to see the meticulousness of these pianos being built by smiling employees. I spoke to several. They had worked there for over 30 years, loved it, and have no intention of retiring.

      • Maria_F
      • 2 wk ago
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       How long is Steinway's apprentice program? 

      • Roger_Ward
      • 2 wk ago
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       Hi Maria,  I believe it is two years. 

      If you haven't been on a factory tour, I hope you can go.  I would have liked to try a few of the tasks, like sanding the case, key balancing, gluing the wooded layers, wrapping the wood around the steel form, yet I completely understand why they would not want to allow a person like me doing it.  I am lucky enough to get a tour!!

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      • clavierhaus_Vienna
      • 2 wk ago
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       Steinway NY has announced an apprenticeship program some time in 2020 or so. Since then, one hasn't heard anything about that, so I guess they have returned to the typical "Put someone on a station with a mentor and get him to be productive as fast as possible" regimen.

      Hamburg, on the other hand, has a truly outstanding apprenticeship program with 3.5 years and the option to add another two years to become a master piano builder.

      Steinway NY has some kind of teaching collaboration with Oberlin college in Ohio, but details are nonexistent on the website of the college.

      It's a sad state of affairs that North Bennett street school in Boston with two 9 month courses is the best option in the US to become a piano technician.

      When you read "Grand Obsession" with this in mind then it becomes clear why all the mentioned technicians think of themself as masters of the universe and all of them use chemical voodoo to reach a hypothetic objective in terms of voicing a piano.

      With the result, of course, that in the end the hammers are dead and needed full replacement.

      Steinway, unfortunately, plays a major role in establishing the chemical voodoo thinking. Their preparation of a grand piano consists of fully lacquering a hammer "to give it foundation" and then start needling to, well, do something.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LKw8tds7is is not for the weak. I watch this and start weeping about the full and systematic destruction of the interplay between Lanolin and Keratin. And every US technician thinks that this is the way to voice a piano.

      It's not, at least not when you either have a European or Japanese background as technician.

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