Piano Manufacturers and Brands: A discussion!

Hello Everyone! 

Here is a place for us to chat about our favorite pianos, questions, and general conversation!

 

What instruments have you loved playing lately? Which brands surprised you (in a good or bad way)? Have your preferences changed over time as your ears and technique developed?

 

Feel free to share:
• Your favorite grands or uprights you’ve played  
• Differences you notice between brands in touch or color  
• Hidden gems or underrated makers  
• Questions you have if you’re shopping or comparing instruments  

No right answers here — just experiences and impressions. Curious to hear what everyone is playing and why it speaks to you.

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    • Roger_Ward
    • 1 mth ago
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    I owned a Baldwin L but really wanted a Steinway B.  I looked for five years and finally found one that would not let go of my heart and brain.  It was a worthwhile purchase.  

    A couple a weeks ago, about ten of us who met via Tonebase (Thank you, Dominic) toured the Steinway Factory in Astoria, NY -from the  kind courtesy of the Steinway dealer in Columbus, OH, Graves Piano.

    It was jaw dropping to see the meticulousness of these pianos being built by smiling employees. I spoke to several. They had worked there for over 30 years, loved it, and have no intention of retiring.

      • Maria_F
      • 1 mth ago
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       I personally would like to go on tours of the Seiler and Bösendorfer factories. 

      • Roger_Ward
      • 1 mth ago
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       Do it!!  

      • Maria_F
      • 1 mth ago
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       I plan to at some point.

      • Roger_Ward
      • 1 mth ago
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       You make several points that sparked my interest.  You sound like an entrepreneur.

      If I were interested in the apprentice program, I would not rely on website information or announcements. 

      The world works from a series of personal relationships, not from websites or YouTube/Tiktoc videos. 

      Website announcements will attract likely hundreds/thousands of people and each applicant would need to be vetted, and that would take a company many hours.  It is a huge expense.  Since Steinway has probably a few such positions (they are not an amusement park)  enhancing personal and professional relationships to get in the door would be better.  From a business view, Steinway has several good filters, as all high achieving companies.

      I am not a technician and I know next to nothing on the use of lanolin and karatin.  But you might have a great business idea.  Why don't you form partners, fully establish your method, and set up manufacturing?  "Lemken Pianos" has a nice, refined ring to it. 

      The other idea is establishing a tuner school.  I assume most tuners learn by closely modeling what their teachers do.  Modeling is great, but does nothing for industry standardization.  "Lemken School of Piano Tuning" 🤓

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 1 mth ago
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       I believe his brand is Clavierhaus, since I see a nice "clavierhaus.at" logo/sticker on the side of his piano in his recording. In any case he is extremely knowledgeable in that field indeed. I guess the american techs that he criticized may disagree with his views, but that doesn't matter. It's expert opinion vs expert opinion. It's up to the customer to inform themselves sufficiently to decide whom to trust.

      • Maria_F
      • 1 mth ago
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       He owns a piano shop, Clavierhaus. I don't think Peter was interested in the Steinway apprentice program, and neither am I. 

      Lanolin and keratin are both found in wool felt. Keratin is the protein that forms the fibers, and lanolin is the oil found in wool. I believe that the hardener the tech in the video was applying to the hammer felt would damage the felt. 

      • Maria_F
      • 1 mth ago
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      He doesn't manufacture pianos, he sells them. 

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 1 mth ago
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       I know, I was simply saying he does have a brand. I just read Roger's post too fast.

      • Maria_F
      • 1 mth ago
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       I don't fully understand Roger's post. 

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 1 mth ago
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       well now that I read it more carefully I think he was indeed proposing that Peter start manufacturing pianos, and a tuning school business. I believe he does do tuning already.

      In my opinion, Clavierhaus is a good brand name for a restoring shop and tuning school, but not for a piano.

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      • clavierhaus_Vienna
      • 1 mth ago
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       What's the point of your posting other than sarcasm with the intention of hitting below the belt?

      • Maria_F
      • 1 mth ago
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       I don't understand his post either. 

      • Maria_F
      • 1 mth ago
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       Clavierhaus means "piano house" in German.

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 1 mth ago
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       I know that! And that's why I said in my opinion it's a good name for a shop and school but perhaps not for a piano brand 

      • Maria_F
      • 1 mth ago
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       I wasn't saying you didn't know what it meant. I agree that it would be an odd name for a brand. 

    • Maria_F
    • 1 mth ago
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    Those of you who have visited piano factories, which ones? And if you haven't visited any, do you want to/plan to visit any? If so, which ones?

    • Maria_F
    • 1 mth ago
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     said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LKw8tds7is is not for the weak. I watch this and start weeping about the full and systematic destruction of the interplay between Lanolin and Keratin. And every US technician thinks that this is the way to voice a piano.

    I saw a video once of someone trying to voice a Bösendorfer Imperial with a clothing iron, a fistful of needles that they randomly poked the hammers with, and E6000 glue (I have no idea why) and it sounded much worse afterwards. That is definitely "chemical voodoo." 

    • Noel_Nguyen
    • 1 mth ago
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     said:
    I don't understand his post either. 

    It seems most of us agree that it was a confusing post to say the least. First there's mention of business models, then the lanolin and keratin, then back to business ideas then manufacturing pianos then a tuning school. So I don't feel too bad about misreading it at first. Many topics!

    • Virginia_Young
    • 1 mth ago
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    My favorite piano is the Bluthner (don't see how to add an umlaut on my keyboard), and I was lucky enough to buy a Model 10 last fall.  The touch is very light, and the sound is truly golden, especially in the alto and tenor.

      • Maria_F
      • 1 mth ago
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       I have never played a Blüthner. I don't know what kind of computer you have, but on a Mac you can press option+u and then type the vowel. 

      • Andrew_Smith
      • 1 mth ago
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       I think the Beatles used a Blüthner to record "Let It Be" and a few other songs at EMI studios. But of course voicing for pop music is usually different (more metallic and bright) from classical (warmer). 

      • Maria_F
      • 1 mth ago
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       I don't listen to pop music, but pianos are definitely voiced differently for non-classical music. 

      • Maria_F
      • 1 mth ago
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       François Dumont's album Clair De Lune was recorded on Debussy's Blüthner. 

      Menuet from Suite Bergamasque

      • Andrew_Smith
      • 1 mth ago
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       Cool, thank you. I will try to take a listen.

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    • Marcia_Richards
    • 1 mth ago
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    I love my Yamaha S3 X which I purchased as a gift to myself after my husband died.

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