Piano Manufacturers and Brands: A discussion!

Hello Everyone! 

Here is a place for us to chat about our favorite pianos, questions, and general conversation!

 

What instruments have you loved playing lately? Which brands surprised you (in a good or bad way)? Have your preferences changed over time as your ears and technique developed?

 

Feel free to share:
• Your favorite grands or uprights you’ve played  
• Differences you notice between brands in touch or color  
• Hidden gems or underrated makers  
• Questions you have if you’re shopping or comparing instruments  

No right answers here — just experiences and impressions. Curious to hear what everyone is playing and why it speaks to you.

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    • Noel_Nguyen
    • 5 mths ago
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    I absolutely love my Baldwin SD-10, built in the late 1970s and well maintained for all of its life so far. I love its powerful and vibrant yet warm sound. And yet I know its limitations. As I said during the concert chat today, I find its sound to be rather unidimensional although that word might be too harsh. I mean it is the perfect piano for Rachmaninoff and non-classical music, but I wouldn't want to record Chopin and especially not Ravel/Debussy on it for instance. This is not about dynamic range (I can play ppppp fairly easily on it), but rather about the sound character.  And yet it is unbeatable in what it does best.

    Truth be told, I don't know what my dream piano is. Probably the one that comes closest would be the Fazioli F308. But every single piano is different anyway!

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       I have not played a Seiler grand, but I have played a Fazioli F308!

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 5 mths ago
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       No, so thanks for introducing me to that brand! 

      Really when it comes to trying pianos I'm rather liberal😁. I think there is a way to make any piano sound good if it's in optimal condition. Even Samick (sorry Samick users, feel free to retaliate😅).

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       I played 68 pianos while shopping for a piano in the fall. 

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 5 mths ago
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       would you say a top Seiler model would be your dream piano?

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       Either that or a Bösendorfer Imperial 290. La Cathedrale Engloutie by Claude Debussy was written for an Imperial. 

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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      La Cathedrale Engloutie on an Imperial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRu6M8l6LAI

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      • clavierhaus_Vienna
      • 5 mths ago
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       Stephen Paulello (a really nice guy and very competent pianist) is behind the design of the Hailun HG218 parlor grand which also exists under the Feurich brand. These grands are certainly the best bang for the buck both in terms of design, sound and manufacturing quality, easily matching with a Steinway C at 1/5th of its price.

      It just takes a really good technician to make it shine, but that is basically true of all grands.

    • Joseph_Derbas
    • 5 mths ago
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    By far my favorite piano I have owned was a beautifully restored ebony 1930's Steinway Model A-3 (the A-3 was a 6' 41/2" model).  I happened across it at a Piano store in Chicago back in the early 1990's that I frequented near my work and got to know the sales person well, always playing their different pianos when I dropped by!  He landed up giving me a heads up that they were wanting to get the piano off their inventory and suggested a price that I actually questioned the  validity of since it was such a bargain.  (I bought him dinner as a thank you!!)  Our home had a large cathedral ceilinged dining and living room area that it fit perfectly in, and, most importantly sounded incredible in.  It played amazingly well and responsive. My piano tuner always said at the time it was one of his favorite pianos to service and play.  Amazing investment that I landed up selling when we sold that home and moved in to another place that just couldn't accommodate the size.  I'll always be partial to a Steinway!

    • Noel_Nguyen
    • 5 mths ago
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    And come on, , we would love to know your answers to your suggested questions. Well, I would!😅

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       I agree. I believe he is a Yamaha artist. 

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    • Maria_F
    • 5 mths ago
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    What is everyone's dream piano, and what is everyone's favorite piano they have played?

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 5 mths ago
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      Dream: Fazioli F308 , until I try more!

      Favorites I've played: in descending order, the F308, a Hamburg Steinway D, my own Baldwin SD-10, a Shigeru Kawai SK-EX (fabulous but perhaps not versatile enough to my taste, a similar problem as my Baldwin but with a completely different sound range), and a Mason&Hamlin BB (my favorite piano of that size). I'll stop at five😅.

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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      Dream piano: either Seiler 278 or Bösendorfer Imperial 290

      Favorite pianos I have played: Seiler 132 and Bösendorfer 225. 

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      • Linda_Gould
      • 5 mths ago
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       I played a Bosendorfer in the CBC recording studio in Vancouver in the 1970s.  It made me sound like a million dollars!

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    • Maria_F
    • 5 mths ago
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    There is a company called Edelweiss that makes very unusual pianos, including the shortest grand piano. 

    https://www.edelweisspianos.com/

    • Peter_William
    • 5 mths ago
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    I am not an advanced player by any stretch of imagination. Had a Yamaha Clavinova at home for about 10 years. Played it off and on - very very elementary repertoire - could read a bit.  Then in June of 2023 I walked into a store in Raleigh and spend 2 hours trying out a few older pianos a 1930's Steinway, a Baldwin and a Kawai. I told the sales person that I didn't like the sound of these really old piano's , so she showed me new one a Essex ( entry model - has a Designed by Steiway - written on it :-) ) For some strange reason I really liked the sound and with great trepediation decided to buy it knowing fully well that my playing was far from deserving a baby grand 5ft 2". The store told me they would let me upgrade if I didn't like it for full cost. Got it delivered at home and have played almost every day. Gradually took some of most rudimentary classes at TB and am absolutely enjoying playing my piano. The repertoire has gotten slightly advanced as well. A fellow tonebase member - way higher level than me- heard me play a year ago and then a couple of weeks ago and said the playing  had come a long way.! Not sure if she was just being polite.. But I  do play everyday and enjoy the Essex - would absolutely recommend it for anyone.

      • Andrew_Smith
      • 5 mths ago
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       Cool to hear that, Peter. Greetings from Winston-Salem (if you still live around Raleigh). 

      • Peter_William
      • 5 mths ago
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       yeah ! A fellow tonebase afficianado from the area . Yes I am 5 minutes from Duke University we should connect ! 

      • Andrew_Smith
      • 5 mths ago
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       Cool! I have cousins and friends in Carrboro and Chapel Hill. Next time I plan a trip in that direction maybe we could connect (and vice versa). Cheers

    • hot4euterpe
    • 5 mths ago
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    Often the discussion about pianos focuses on the quality of the sound (of course!) or affordability. I live in central BC, Canada and I have learned to really value customer care and servicing access since the major urban centres are in the south of the province. I can say my experience with Yamaha has been nothing short of phenomenal. I am quite particular and my technician here recommended Yamaha for this reason. I had an issue with one piano's pedal and they upgraded me to a YUS-5 because they wanted me to be happy with my piano - they shipped it to me directly from their factory. Three years later, they allowed me to trade it back at full value to put toward my current piano, a C2X studio grand. 

    I would absolutely love a steinway as I played on them regularly at university and they just seem to fit my playing so perfectly. However, the C2X is really quite beautiful and really fits better for where I live and what I have access to for support. Definitely worth keeping in mind since a piano is going to need a lot of care to keep the action regulated and the tone sounding its best.

    • Tanya
    • 5 mths ago
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    Steinway is my favorite in both uprights and grands of varying sizes. It has an amazingly sonorous sound. I’ve played on many different brands. Yamaha is my second favorite. 

    • Andrew_Smith
    • 5 mths ago
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    Certainly an interesting thread here, with lots of good new information. Thanks. (And I think a better place for it than during the livestream.)  1. To me the inertia weight of the keys is extremely important. Our Baldwin 6 foot from the mid-1980s has marvellous tone but it is difficult to play extended fast runs/etudes without developing a bad habit of trying to muscle the fingers. I suspect most players who develop into real virtuosos did not learn on super heavy actions. 2. To the average listener/non-aficiando, I think most grand pianos all sound about the same; 3. Best piano I have ever played was a Fazioli baby grand. It had a perfect action and great tone control. 4. Falcone (I think out of Boston, Massachusetts) made some great pianos in I think the 1990s. 5. Maria, it sounds like you could open a piano shop! :)

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    • Maria_F
    • 5 mths ago
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     said:
    1. To me the inertia weight of the keys is extremely important. Our Baldwin 6 foot from the mid-1980s has marvellous tone but it is difficult to play extended fast runs/etudes without developing a bad habit of trying to muscle the fingers. I suspect most players who develop into real virtuosos did not learn on super heavy actions.

     I agree; most Baldwins I have played have been slow/unresponsive/stiff. My Seiler has a heavier action but is quite fast and responsive. I actually think heavier actions are easier to control sometimes, as long as they are also fast. 

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    2. To the average listener/non-aficiando, I think most grand pianos all sound about the same

    I can usually tell the brand and model by sound, and also visually, but I think a lot of people can't. I think most people can learn to identify pianos, though!

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    3. Best piano I have ever played was a Fazioli baby grand. It had a perfect action and great tone control.

    I have played an F228 and an F308. The F228 seemed "uncooperative" and I think it had a lot of potential but may not have wanted me to play it!

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    4. Falcone (I think out of Boston, Massachusetts) made some great pianos in I think the 1990s. 

    I know there is a company called Falcone that manufactures stencil pianos in China. I believe they are owned by Parsons. Are they related?

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    5. Maria, it sounds like you could open a piano shop! :)

    I want to be a piano tech. Maybe I will open a piano shop at some point! 

      • Andrew_Smith
      • 5 mths ago
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       Thanks for your reply and comments Maria. Falcone was sort of like Fazioli, putting out only a limited number of finely crafted pianos, but then it got sold or went out of business, so maybe that's the China connection. 

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      • Maria_F
      • 5 mths ago
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       Yes, they were sold to Parsons and now make stencil pianos. 

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