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Welcome to the latest TWO WEEK INTENSIVE on tonebase!

 

For the next two weeks we will be working through assignments given by Lindsay Garritson to improve your Cantabile Playing

Pianists of all levels are welcome. 

 

More Detailed instructions coming soon!

  • Sign-Up : September 11
  • Course Period: September 18-October 2nd
  • Class Size: ALL are welcome!
  • Optional check-In via Zoom: 

September 28th at 11am Pacific Time

 

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Assignment #1 

"Singing at the Piano"

 

Description: How do we sing at the piano?

 

This is one of the most difficult yet rewarding things to achieve in our piano playing! We will look at the different technical components which go into creating a beautiful, singing sound. From transparent to rich textures, we will take sections from four pieces by Mendelssohn, Chopin, Brahms, and Ravel, and discuss the considerations required to achieve a resonant sound in each. 

 

Introduction video: https://youtu.be/UezTgcCsp7c

 

C Major Scale Exercise: https://youtu.be/Ug6BnzuTIHk

1) Record a one octave C major scale very slowly (right hand alone, then left hand alone), applying the "down - up" motion with every note, listening carefully for the quality of sound in each note and using as legato a touch as possible 

 

2) Record the same C major scale in both hands separately at a faster tempo, but applying the "down - up" motion over the entire pattern (not a separate motion for each note) 

 

Mendelssohn Songs without Words, Op. 19, No. 1: 

https://youtu.be/rXskBg5g9DU

 

1) Record the melody in the right hand alone (at a much slower tempo) from the upbeat of measure 3 until the downbeat of measure 15, listening for resonance of sound, legato articulation, observing places to "breathe" between phrases; don't worry about using the fingering that you will use when playing all parts together (the focus now is quality of sound and phrasing)

 

2) Record just the bass line in the left hand (also at a slower tempo), start from measure 3 until downbeat of measure 15, listening again for the quality of sound, special moments of harmonic change, legato articulation; again, don't worry about the fingering in this exercise (do what promotes the most legato touch)

 

3) Record the melody in the right hand as well as the bass line in the left hand (outer two lines), listening to how the "voices" are interacting (the energy between the two and how the left hand functions as a counter melody), as well as indicating clearly shaping within the phrases

 

4) Record all parts from upbeat of measure 3 to downbeat of measure 15, again slowly, listening particularly for control in the sixteenth notes and making sure they are at a dynamic which does not overpower the clarity and resonance of the melody in the right hand as well as the bass line in the left hand

 

Chopin Nocturne in C minor, Op. 48, No. 1: 

https://youtu.be/tsaDGdbAzdE

 

1) Record the "voicing" exercise: taking a C major chord in the right hand (C, E, G, C) and play the chord seven times in a row, highlighting one note at a time (middle C the first time, then the E the next time, and so forth) 

 

2) Record the melody in the right hand alone (top note of each chord) from measure 25 to downbeat of measure 37, listening for the legato between each note, resonance, attention to shaping within the phrases; don't worry about using the fingering you will be using once you play all of the notes (use what best promotes legato in this exercise)

 

3) Record all notes in the right hand alone, but WITHOUT pedal, trying to connect each chord where possible from top note to top note (melody); where physically it is not possible, try to give the illusion of legato through careful shaping of the chords (small crescendi, decrescendi, etc.)

 

4) Record all parts, hands together in the same section, WITH pedal, listening carefully to the voicing in each chord and listening to how well you connect the sound from chord to chord

 

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WEEK #2 Assignment!

 

Brahms Intermezzo in A Major, Op. 118, No. 2: 

https://youtu.be/hftV4KIAn-g

 

1) Record top melody in the right hand alone from beginning to measure 16, focuses the legato touch, phrasing (important moments you are leading to and away from), adding a different "color" to the places Brahms writes dolce

 

2) Record the "alto" line in the right hand alone (same material), listening for the same qualities as in the first exercise

 

3) Record the left hand alone, listening for a richness and depth of sound, particularly in the low bass notes (think of the sound of a cello for inspiration) 

 

4) Put all parts together, slower than the original tempo, paying attention to the quality of sound between the soprano and alto lines (thinking of them as a duet, so one part is not necessarily more important than the other); listening for the depth of the bass notes in the left hand; taking time in moments you feel are important (larger intervals, between phrases, etc.)

 

Ravel Pavane pour une infante défunte: 

https://youtu.be/1NtbGZM75dA

 

1) Record the melody in the right hand alone from beginning to downbeat of measure 8, taking special care in listening to the notes with ties, making sure the notes coming immediately after each tied note are not louder (making sure you aren't adding any sort of accent to these notes); don't worry about using the fingering you will use when playing all parts in the right hand together

 

2) Record the "alto" line in the right hand alone (beginning to measure 6) WITHOUT pedal, listening to evenness of staccati articulation and seeing how little you can move your hand (relying on the staccato articulation with just the fingertips)

 

3) Record left hand alone WITHOUT pedal (same measures), taking care to use an articulation that is slightly longer than staccato (almost as if you are adding tiny tenuto marks to each note) 

 

4) Record all parts hands together WITH pedal (slowly), listening to the quality of your legato in the melody, evenness of staccati and softer dynamic of the"alto" line (even though it will not sound short with pedal), and a resonant sound in the left hand 

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    • KBEdwards
    • KBEdwards
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    I am group one.  I am very much looking forward to learning from Lindsay and working on improving my cantabile playing with others in the group.   - Kim

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    • Silvia
    • Silvia.2
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    Hi I am also really looking forward to working on my cantabile playing.

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    • Silvia Hi Silvia! Would love to hear any of your exercises and/or if you have any questions!

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      • Silvia
      • Silvia.2
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      Lindsay Garritson Hi Lindsay thank you so much please find some of my exercises here below.

       

      C maj scale RH 

      C maj scale LH

      Mendelssohn RH - my timing is out at the end, but I was unable to re-record.

       

      Thanks so much. Really looking forward to your feedback.

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    • Silvia Thank you for sharing these, Silvia! Very thoughtful playing. For the exercises in both hands, you were getting a good sound. I watched a few times, and my overall comment is that with the "down - up" motion for each note, my observation is that your wrist in both hands is getting a bit too high (in the "up" part). My recommendation would be to try staying in the "down" portion of the movement just a little bit longer (it's almost as if there's glue there and it's harder to bounce back up immediately!); I think this will promote even more richness and depth to the sound. I noticed this more in the left hand than the right hand, so just something to be aware of! It could be helpful to play it a few times slower than what you were doing. 

       

      For the Mendelssohn, this is a very good start. Some very small comments: I appreciated that you brought out the accents in measures 3 and 7 clearly, but I would say to keep the subsequent notes a bit louder/resonant. The impression was that the accents were clear, but the notes immediately after were noticeably less resonant and therefore less "singing." For measure five, I would recommend playing a few times in exact tempo (like if you were playing with a metronome). This way, if you do decide you want to give some flexibility to certain notes in that measure, it is completely on purpose (I wasn't sure if you were aware you suddenly slowed down in that measure). Sometimes playing exactly in tempo can give us awareness where our rhythm is not as precise. Last comment: when arriving into measure 15, it's not necessary to physically pick up your hand as much as I observed (my impression was you were honoring the slur from the previous measure), but I think this added physical movement is not necessary when going from that last 16th note to the downbeat of 15. Please let me know if you have any questions about the further exercises in Mendelssohn! Happy practicing. :)

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      • Silvia
      • Silvia.2
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      Lindsay Dear Lindsay thank you so much for your very kind and detailed feedback. I will definitely take the time to work carefully through your suggestions. Thank you so much,

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  • Hello everyone. I am looking forward to putting Lindsay's suggestions into practice.

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  • Hi, my name is Alex and I'm an amateur pianist based in Columbus, Ohio. I am excited about this TWI; it covers such an important topic! I think that often, at least in my own playing, cantabile - much like dolce - is a rather vague idea of a tonal quality that gets poured over a phrase, or over an entire piece, like gravy. I would like to be able to better define the concept of “cantabile” and understand what specific elements it contains or implies, and how those are achieved technically. 

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    • Alexander Weymann Hi! I'm Paul and lived most of my life in Columbus, Ohio, but now find myself in Los Angeles. Having retired from a job as a librarian and math teacher last year I am trying to recover and improve long lost skills in piano playing from my undergraduate piano major days. I'm also trying to figure out how to practice several hours per day without causing injury to my aging hands. Voicing chords of 4 or more notes spread out over an octave or ninth in one hand is a particular challenge. I hope I can get some hints here.

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    • Paul Miller welcome, fellow Buckeye! I don't know how long you have been on tonebase, but I do find it a treasure trove of helpful information and positive inspiration. If you dig a bit, I'm sure you'll find plenty of technique-focused teaching videos, some of which may well help you with your specific problems. 

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    • pyarin77
    • pyarin77
    • 1 yr ago
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    Hi Everyone, Peter from NYC. Looking forward to working on these cantabile concepts and skills - 

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  • Hi all, Jarkko from Sweden here.   I find it difficult to maintain an evenness throughout the piece when playing in cantabile style. Hoping to fix that issue. I'm looking forward to this intense course.

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    • Jarkko Janhunen Hi Jarkko, I hope to hear some of your exercises if some feedback would be helpful! Or, please let me know if you have further questions. I completely understand: evenness is always something to be worked on! Did you mean specifically for the Mendelssohn in the sixteenth-notes or the overall melodic material?

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    • Lindsay Garritson I struggle with the evenness in general when playing this style. These excercises are really great. I'll post my progress soon.

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    • Jarkko Janhunen Looking forward!

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    • KBEdwards
    • KBEdwards
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    The mendelssohn was deceptively difficult and the fact that I struggled, I think, highlights my weakness in this area -- exactly why it is very useful to work on.   The Chopin, I probably wouldn't have even tried had I not been challenged by this exercise and the components broken down this way.  Here is what I have got so far.  

     

    Mendelssohn

    all parts

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RB94m-pi0A

     

    RH scale exercise

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBxlKx_6U0k

     

    RH mendelssohn

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC9tX6k55Gs

     

    CMaj chord voicing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q7BVvMQqIE

     

    Chopin melody

    https://youtu.be/wKuGPPpX_6w

     

    Chopin RH chords

    Chopin exercise RH chords - YouTube

     

    Thank you Lindsay for the great exercises and to all my fellow participants

     

    Kim

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    • KBEdwards Hello Kim, thank you so much for recording these exercises and sharing! In the Mendelssohn, I particularly appreciated your attention to dynamic contrast where indicated, your attention to shaping and rounding off of phrases, and your overall evenness of the sixteenth-note accompaniment. This is a very good start! My overall comment would be to "dig" even deeper into the melodic line of the right hand; I would suggest going back to the melody alone and playing one notch of a dynamic louder than you were playing, really listening for the amount of sustain and resonance in each note. Then, practice that melody alone with the actual fingering you will be using when you put all parts together (the fourth and fifth fingers are always weaker and therefore need a bit more care!). Try to replicate the sound you got when using a more "comfortable" fingering. Then, put all the parts together again, continuing to play a louder dynamic in the melodic line than all other parts (everyone has different dynamic tendencies when they play, and I think you are playing a little too softly in this line at the moment). You are doing a lovely job with this though! Please let me know if you have further questions.

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    • KBEdwards For the C major chord voicing exercise, well done overall! For the left hand, I would recommend playing one or two octaves higher than you were (it's already a part of the keyboard that has quite a lot of resonance, so sometimes it's harder to listen for absolutely clarity of the voicing as well as coordination of the hand if there's extra resonance). For the right hand, very good; continue to work on this, listening to make sure that E natural in your second finger is still clear regardless of which note you are "voicing" (I noticed the E natural more than the other notes tended to get a bit lost or not sounding). Good work!

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    • KBEdwards For the Chopin right hand melody, also good start! A few details: even when the melody has a sixteenth note or grace note, try to get a little more resonance (it's easier if you lengthen slightly that smaller note). This way, the chorale, more sustained texture of this section sounds even smoother! Small correction: at measure 29, there are two eighth notes in the melody as opposed to a dotted rhythm at measure 25 (unless your edition says something different than mine!). Lastly, when you come to the end of a phrase, make sure the last note is not "too" soft compared to the note before it. You have a tendency (this is a good habit to have than the opposite tendency!) to round off phrases in a way that sometimes loses the resonance of the very last note. You want to make sure you maintain the resonance all the way through (even when there is a decrescendo). 

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    • KBEdwards For Chopin right hand chords, great start! Not an easy task to voice these chords, phrase, and do it without pedal. You're doing a very good job in the voicing; one thing I noticed in measure 25 was that I don't believe you played all the notes in the sixteenth-note chord of beat four. Just something to pay attention to! Also a fingering suggestion for the downbeat of measure 31: in my right hand, I START with my second fingering in the rolled chord, so 2-1-2-4-5. 

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      Lindsay Garritson  thank you so much for all the thoughtful feedback!  I am looking forward to sitting down and working through all of your suggestions.  

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      Lindsay Garritson  thank you for guidance.  I have worked on digging deeper and doing the melodies again before combining. I am always afraid of playing too loud with the melody for fear that the notes will be harsh, but I see that if I connect them properly they are not. (One side note:  my C sharp has a mechanical issue and the note sometimes gets cut off if I press hard) 
       

      Anyway, using your advice, I think I’ve been able to bring out the melody more strongly now.  Here is my latest.  

      https://youtu.be/_wNE5i8hi2o?feature=shared

       

      I incorporated your advice on corrections and fingering suggestions on the RH of the Chopin and have tried it hands together with pedal.  There is plenty of work to do, but I was initially intimidated by the piece and made better progress than I’d expected 

       

      https://youtu.be/DKefq9_IyVM?feature=shared

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    • KBEdwards Hello Kim, Thank you so much for recording these again! Definite improvements, especially with "digging deeper" into the keys in order to create a richer and more defined sound in the melody. Thank you for pointing out the mechanical issue in your piano on that C sharp; I can imagine that's frustrating! But you really are doing a beautiful job despite that. One small comment for the melodic line: if you can create an even more legato connection between the C sharp of beat 4, measure 4, into the A of the downbeat at measure 5, that would be even better! Otherwise, each melodic note was beautifully connected. One comment on the pedaling: make sure to change a bit more clearly in places (just making sure you're not blurring harmonic changes, e.g. measure 14 was one spot). Great work!

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    • KBEdwards For the Chopin, good start with all parts! Lots of elements to be aware of constantly (voicing, rolling of the chords, creating long lines, etc.). My first comment is for measure 25 : make sure that second chord of 25 is slightly softer than downbeat chord (start of the melody). Otherwise, it sounds a bit less smooth than I think you want! Listen even more carefully to how the sound of that first chord slightly decays; then you will know what dynamic to play the next chord. For the fourth beat of measure 27, I usually interpret this grace note in the right hand chord by playing the following order: "E-A-E-D," and the left hand A octave sounds with that D in the right hand. Different editions in Chopin can be slightly different in many pieces, but I would say there were many places in the right hand where I would not recommend rolling the chords (unless your edition specifically indicates to do so). For instance, I would play the fourth beat of measure 28 as one unified chord between both hands, rather than rolling the right hand. Another example is in measure 30, beats 2 and 3: I would play both of those chords in the right hand without rolling (unless your hand cannot stretch!). In addition, for those places where the right hand does not have a roll, but the left hand is written so the hand needs to roll the chord, I would place the right hand chord at the top note of the rolled left hand chord. For the places (at least in my edition) where there is one long roll starting from the bottom of the left hand to the top of the right hand (e.g. downbeat of measure 31, and third beat of measure 32), I would observe that literally. This way, the music has a beautiful and grand "sweeping" effect from the bottom of the keyboard to the top! 

       

      Please let me know if you have any questions about my comments. Good work, Kim!

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  • C major chord practice highlighting notes - YouTube

    Marina gave some very good advice in group 2 for this.

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