How do many of you deal with performance anxiety?

I have a problem staying focused when I play in front of people. even when I play in my own home. I play okay, but I find that I lose my focus because I keep wondering how I sound to those listening to me. I make mistakes that I would never make in practice. Some are mistakes I never made before. How do some of you stay so focused? Is it just because I need more experience playing in front of people or are there other methods you all use?

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    • Unfrozen Barroom Piano Player
    • Peter_G
    • Yesterday
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     said:
    I think Peter Golemme did it with barroom playing, if I am not mistaken

       On the one hand, it is true that I could walk into a bar/restaurant/cocktail lounge/  right now, without any preparation, and sit down and play all night without a moment's hesitation or the slightest anxiety.  But put me on a stage or on a video camera for a Community Concert to play something I've practiced hundreds of times, and I am as much a nervous wreck as anyone on this thread.  Also, when I go to make a recording, whether of classical repertoire or of a standard tune that I can toss off effortlessly in a bar, I become very stiff and tense and find it extremely difficult to capture the spontanaeity and relaxation that are necessary for a good performance.

    The key difference in these scenarios is that, in a bar or restaurant etc. nobody is really listening very closely.  The customers were there for mostly other reasons and I was there to fill in the background. (This was very hard to accept in my younger days, when I saw myself as an "artist" stepping out onto a stage to be the center of attention ; ---many times I had to be told to turn down the intensity and volume because it was interfering with people's dinners or conversations ☹️) .

    Even if they did come to listen, the noisy background, could mask a lot of defects in execution,  wrong notes, dropped beats or other infelicities.  In contrast, on the concert stage, everyone is there for the express purpose of listening, and will be paying close attendtion.

    Another factor is HABITUATION. You will inevitably become less anxious about performing the more often you do it. My gig in the Vermont ski lodge really habituated me quickly to this kind of setting, as I had to play 7 nights a week 8 hours a night, for the whole season, with only a few random nights off.

    It's difficult to become habituated to playing in a concert setting when you only get to do it a few times a year. It should be done repeatedly within a relatively short time span in order to become habitual.  That's one reason I encourage everyone to participate as much as possible in the ToneBase concerts, and it's why I'm excited about the prospect of participating in a Zoom group.  These are priceless opportunities to perform for a knowledgeable & friendly audience, with rather low stakes if the performance doesn't go well.

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      • Maria_F
      • 15 hrs ago
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       said:
      Who wouldn't be nervous playing for an audience at Carnegie Hall ? I suppose a performer who doesn't care. But who wouldn't care?

      I would probably care about that number of people watching me.  

      • Unfrozen Barroom Piano Player
      • Peter_G
      • 14 hrs ago
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       said:  So, the secret to getting over at least some of the anxiety is to play to an inattentive audience. 

       Hi Larry, I expect that you are being facetious here, but actually, playing for an inattentive audience would absolutely be a great way for you to get some performance experience. 

      Where might you find an inattentive audience?  I would suggest any quasi public space that has a piano -- nursing homes and senior centers are a good place to start. Other places could include a dormitory lounge, a cafeteria, a church hall, a hotel lobby or conference room, a school auditorium,  or yes  a music store (at least there you're sure to find a good piano).  Sit yourself down and play away.  You might attract attention, you might not.  If you've not been previously invited, prepare for tht possiblity that you might get kicked out.  I've been kicked out of every one of the above, on multiple occasions, but usually not before I had a lot of fun. 

      Sounds like you are on the right track with your new teacher.  Now get out there and practice, and report back to us when you are ready to perform at a Community Concert or share a recording.  You'll be warmly welcomed 

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 14 hrs ago
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       Yup we all have past traumas. And when I mentioned my painful training, I wasn't joking. Imagine starting piano at 5 against your will (I didn't like it back then!) then being forced by your parents to practice for hours everyday as child, then actually falling in love with it as a teen (thanks J.S.Bach) and then relentlessly pursuing the pipe dream of a soloist career, only to burn out at nearly 30 and having to rebuild your life with a new career, and being so traumatized by the process that you don't touch a piano for 17 years until regaining the love only lately. Does that surpass your life path in terms of past trauma? Hell no!😆 But let's just say I've had my share. And life goes on!

      • Larry_K
      • 13 hrs ago
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       Thanks Peter, and I was being serious. 

      • Larry_K
      • 13 hrs ago
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       Oh, you should have met my Russian piano teacher in New York. 

      She attended the Gnessin school in Moscow at 5. Who knows how much she was tortured by the Russians but you can be sure that she suffered trauma. 
       

      She escaped from behind the Iron Curtain, came to New York, and embraced the strange American idea that anybody could study any instrument at any age.

      Want to play the cello at 80?

      Have at it!

      • PViseskul
      • 13 hrs ago
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       another relatable story, except that my parent put out the music college dream pretty early in my high school years so there's that 😆 ... though I'm grateful now that I can do it as a hobby and not a career. Also, rebuilding techniques after 20+ years took a fair amount of patience though I can honestly say that I'm a better player now than in my teenage years, and hopefully continue to improve still.

      Just wanna say that while you - think - you may be losing something, you may also gain something better along the way 🎹❤️ 

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 12 hrs ago
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       said:
      my parent put out the music college dream pretty early in my high school years

      Maybe I should have added that my parents tried the same just when I started to really enjoy the piano (!!), but they couldn't stop me by then, and I was showing serious progress so they reluctantly accepted that I pursue that career instead of a "real career". The irony of it makes me laugh now, but it took me a long time to be at peace. And I do enjoy my life now, with my "real career".

      • PViseskul
      • 11 hrs ago
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       and we are happy you are here to share your wonderful music with us 😊

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    • Peter_G
    • Yesterday
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     said:
     always happy to read your well written and thoughtful posts 😊 and many things you have written here I find relatable.

     thank you Priya, that's a really nice thing to say.  I often worry that my posts are too long and discursive for readers to tolerate. No one has ever accused me of being too succinct. But I am simply so happy to have this community of musicians here at TB to talk these things over with. There are no other musicians in my family or my immediate circle of friends and co-workers, and, much as I may love them all, conversations like this would have virtually no meaning to them.

    I am familiar with all those symptoms you talk about. Sometimes me knees are bouncing so much I can barely hold the pedal down, or they lock up against the underside of the keyboard. That's when I really have to implement some conscious relaxation techniques or else I will be too tightened up to play anything. 

    I must say that in our community concerts you have projected a very calm demeanor despite the emotional intensity of the music you are playing.  So I would say that the increased exposure to performing has served you well, and I hope you are able to find a sympatico group soon.!

      • PViseskul
      • 22 hrs ago
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       I have been told about not looking nervous but many of us know the frantic feeling and whatever stuff going through our heads beneath that calm facade 😆 In any case, it seems I at least succeed in the outward appearance so thank you ❤️

      One thing my old teacher emphasised a lot on was taking time before starting a piece. I sometime plan exactly what to think about before starting, like sing the difficult bit in my head to set the tempo etc, then do that as part of practising. I do practise starting the piece on its own, though when things are happening I sometimes forget everything so need more practise still!

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      • Peter_G
      • 16 hrs ago
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       Hi Priya, that's a very interesting idea.  the start of a performance is always a very hazardous time for me.  I try counting it out in my head but quite often that tempo is way off. It often takes me a measure or 2 to find the tempo, which can be embarassing and distracting if my start was way off.  I'm going to practice this -- singing it in my head before I start.

    • Noel_Nguyen
    • 21 hrs ago
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    The general feeling I get from reading this thread (especially the latest posts) is that too much effort is spent trying to fight the anxiety. Watch this:

    https://youtu.be/cd8jFEMMRlc?si=G0HF88y-QYIGQeZj

    The point is, stop being afraid of being afraid!

      • Larry_K
      • 20 hrs ago
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       But, I am afraid of being afraid of being afraid. 

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 20 hrs ago
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        At some point it cancels out, we hope😅.

      • Larry_K
      • 20 hrs ago
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       Actually, it’s an infinite regression, so, it’s fear all the way down. :)

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 19 hrs ago
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       I know. I was just wishfully thinking. My math is not that horrible 😆.

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      • Maria_F
      • 14 hrs ago
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        Lovro Pogorelich is funny and also informative. 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dMERrItW3M

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