Week 2: Your First Check-in

 

You’ve chosen your Liszt piece. Now the adventure really begins.

 

This week is all about getting inside the music without worrying about perfection yet. Liszt’s music can feel grand, poetic, dramatic, intimate, or completely overwhelming, sometimes all within the same page.

 

For this week, we’d love for you to share:

  • Early practice clips
  • First impressions of your piece
  • Passages you’re struggling with
  • Musical moments you already love
  • Questions or discoveries from practice
  • How Liszt feels under your hands so far

A few ideas to focus on this week:

  • Finding a comfortable starting tempo
  • Practicing smaller sections instead of full run-throughs
  • Looking for patterns in the texture
  • Identifying one or two “problem spots”
  • Finding the main melody inside thick textures

Whether you’re working on a Consolation, a transcription, a Hungarian Rhapsody, a piece from Years of Pilgrimage, or a short excerpt from a larger work, we’re excited to hear your first steps into Liszt’s world.

Looking forward to seeing what everyone is discovering this week!

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    • Noel_Nguyen
    • 2 wk ago
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    Since I am part of the Transcendental Etudes faction, I have started working on my Etudes a few months ago (then stopped for other projects!), and in the following weeks will be aiming to polish them as much as I can.

    Here is an early version of the Preludio. The most challenging part is near the end, with fast arpeggios all on white keys, very difficult to play accurately. I practice it (and everything!) in groups of notes. In this recording you can hear that the arpeggios part is still in groups , so doesn't sound as fluid as it should. Training wheels still on!

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      • a_weymann
      • 2 wk ago
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       fabulous already! Lots of verve and brilliance. Bravo! 

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 2 wk ago
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      Thanks! It is still lacking the carefree exuberance that I associate with Liszt. That's next, hopefully!

      • hot4euterpe
      • 2 wk ago
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       Great work Noel! Very sparkling and thrilling to listen to! You have some excellent facility with the passagework. I am more of a minimalist when it comes to movement at the piano but I really enjoy your finishing flourishes. I feel they are tasteful while you still prioritize sonority, efficiency and expression in your playing. This can be a difficult balance but I feel what you do really works well!

      • Noel_Nguyen
      • 2 wk ago
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        Many thanks for your encouraging words! And I have to say, I love your diplomacy as regards approaches that you don't share, such as my occasional excess motions😅. I will impishly blame it on the influence of many teachers from the so-called Russian school😄. No, there is no such thing as a Russian school per se, but there is certainly a Russian piano culture, and let's just say that economy of motion is rarely a priority. And yet I now wish I had more of that quality, if only because now find it more pleasant to watch. But my motions are so integrated in my playing that I find it impossible to fix at this point.

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      • Maria_F
      • 12 days ago
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       Excellent job, and I like your caption!

    • Sachi
    • 2 wk ago
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    https://youtube.com/shorts/mwMOUt_R0Rk?is=06KtWZC22PtYtDiS

    I studied this etude S136/2 for a while… aiming to improve my collapsing knuckle joints. I’ve been trying to use it as a study piece for a longer period on and off. My teacher told me that this etude will stretch hands and be a remedy for my problems. 

    Honestly, I don’t know if this etude is helping my issue. This challenge rescued me from despair 😔 Good to have a purpose in our practice. So thank you friends & TB.

      • hot4euterpe
      • 2 wk ago
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       Great work so far! It's interesting just how much this early version of the etude is reminiscent of Czerny exercises. I imagine Liszt played his fair share in the few years he studied with him.  

      • Sachi
      • 2 wk ago
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       Thank you!

    • hot4euterpe
    • 2 wk ago
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    I've spent a bit of time organizing how I will work on the Eroica etude. I have divided it into 7 sections (A-G on the attached .pdf if anyone wants to see the score and sections.

    The piece is essentially an introduction, a short series of strophes leading to an apotheosis, and a coda. My practice sections align with this general form as follows:

    Practice Section A - Introduction (mm. 1-18)

    Practice Section B - Strophe 1a (mm. 19-44)

    Practice Section C - Strophe 1b (mm. 45-62)

    Practice Section D - Strophe 2a (mm. 63-74)

    Practice Section E - Strophe 2b (mm. 75-86)

    Practice Section F - Strophe 3 / Apotheosis (mm. 87-102)

    Practice Section G - Coda (mm. 103-end)

     

    My goal this week is to record practice clips of each of these sections. I'm not aiming for a flawless take, just a fairly stable run through of each section to ensure security across the piece and start moving toward memorization. Below I have included my recording for section A and will update as I record the other sections.

     

    Section A - Introduction (July 11)

    In this introduction, Liszt is playing around with diminished 7th chords and their chromatic flexibility. mm. 12-18 are surprisingly tricky as 12-15 and 16-18 are just the same diminished 7th being resolved differently; in 12-15 it chromatically resolves to a D7 chord whereas in 16-18 it resolves chromatically to a B7 chord. This slight difference is actually surprisingly disorienting to get the fingers around!

    Section B - Strophe 1a (July 12) 

    Here the theme is introduced. This section can be played using the sostenuto to sustain the march themes notes while the staccato chords are played. I am not using it here though, partly because I'm not sure I want to and partly because my sostenuto needs adjusting as a few notes are not engaging properly at the moment. The challenge here is primarily the ping ponging back and forth accurately.

    Section C - Strophe 1b (July 12)

    Things start to ramp up a bit here. I am still deciding just how much pedal I want to use with the strum-like chords. The thematic material shifts to the left hand and the arpeggiations in the RH are challenging to play rapidly and lightly against the LH.  

    Section D - Strophe 2a (July 13)

    The LH continues to play the theme but now in dramatic octaves while the RH quickly switches between short flourishes and extended arpeggiations. The layering here is quite challenging. The first two arpeggios fit the hand well but the last are somewhat awkward and require care.

    Section E - Strophe 2b (July 15)

    This transitional section proved surprisingly tricky for me. The triplet figures were easy to misfire on and are still not 100% but they are getting much better. The chromatic descent in the low octaves as the RH jumps registers with wide, rapid rolled chords. This is actually not too bad though. Finally, the diminished 7ths that resolved to two different dominant 7th chords return but are transposed and have a slightly altered rhythm. These really proved to be the hardest part to play with consistent accuracy.

    Section G - Coda (July 16)

    I've skipped over the F section because it's not cooperating today for recording (it is definitely the most challenging part)! Instead, I worked on the concluding section. Here the original form of the theme comes back and then builds to a dramatic cadential 6/4 before the final arpeggios. A B7 chord is first voiced as a German 6 chord and then again as a Dominant 7th chord, continuing Liszt's chromatic playfulness right up to the end.

    Section F - Apotheosis (July 17)

    With week 2 of the challenge coming to and end, I did not want to leave out the F section even though it is still ''in progress'. It is the most demanding section of a demanding piece with a page of relentless chords and octave arpeggiations in both hands. I had hoped to have this a bit more tightened up but one cannot really force this type of passagework without risking strain / injury so this is just where it is at now. I can play it pretty comfortably and dramatically but my accuracy of the arpeggiations will continue to be a main goal going into week 3. Even though this is the last recording I made for this week, I have added it in alphabetically below in case one wants to listen to them in the order they occur in the piece.

      • hot4euterpe
      • 2 wk ago
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      Updated with sections B and C.

      • Sachi
      • 2 wk ago
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       Watching your videos gives me ideas about how I should practice—deliberately, with good pronunciation. You must be a great teacher.

      • hot4euterpe
      • 13 days ago
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       Oh thank you Sachi - that is very kind =)

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      • Michelle_Russell
      • 13 days ago
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       I very much appreciate the clarity with which you play. Crisp and clean! Looking forward to hearing the rest of the sections.

      • hot4euterpe
      • 13 days ago
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      Updated with section D.

      • hot4euterpe
      • 13 days ago
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       Thanks Michelle! =)

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      • Maria_F
      • 12 days ago
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       Michelle is right that you play with a lot of clarity! Excellent job!

      • hot4euterpe
      • 12 days ago
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       Thank you!

      • hot4euterpe
      • 11 days ago
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      Updated with section E 😬.

      • hot4euterpe
      • 10 days ago
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       Updated with section G. Yes, I have left section F until last. It is being stubborn.

      • Peter_William
      • 9 days ago
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       Awesome playing ! I looked at the attached score and it looks terrifying! If I may ask - what level is this piece in your opinion? Also after how many years of playing would one attempt this kind of a piece ? Thanks in advance

      • TT2022
      • 9 days ago
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       Wow! So impressive. (The beginning of Section B with the dotted rhythm motif sounds like the Pink Panther theme by Henry Mancini!)

      • hot4euterpe
      • 9 days ago
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       Thanks Tammy! That is so funny you mentioned that because my wife and I both said the same thing for the start of B (and G) sections. What is particularly amusing is that one of my younger students has recently asked to learn an arrangement of the Pink Panther theme and now I am wondering if I subconsciously influenced them!

      • hot4euterpe
      • 9 days ago
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       Thanks Peter! Regarding the level, I'm not sure what curriculum you know best but in general it would be at the final level of a graded system ("licentiate" - henle gives it a '9' on their 9-scale, as it does most of the transcendental etudes).

      How many years of playing before one attempts to play this kind of piece is actually an interesting question. Not many conservatory curriculum students will typically go this far in their studies and those that do are often quite precocious and therefore advance much more quickly than the average student. As a generalization though, I can say that this is repertoire I typically associate with serious undergrad performance majors and grad students (who have played for 12+ years at a high level of study). This is just a generalization though and there are always special exceptions but it is safe to consider the Transcendental Etudes to be an 'end of the line' experience in terms of difficulty!

      • Peter_William
      • 8 days ago
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       Awesome explanation!. I had a rule not to even look at a score of Listz or Rachmaninoff ( I recall the conversation with my piano teacher/friend who told me back then that" Liszt is almost impossible to play -- esp. Transcendental Etudes " ) until I play everyday for another 3 years with pieces of increasing difficulty. This rule is good for another 4 years.

      But I am super happy to hear the advanced/concert pianists play this  kind of repertoire.  In fact there was a rule for Chopin as well which has now changed a bit due to the Nocturne lessons from TB.  The etudes are nearly impossible a the moment  :-) . Your explanation gives a terrific perspective on the level of difficulty of these music. Thank you!

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