Week 3 - Into the Fugue: Three Voices at Once

Hey everyone! 🎹

Halfway there! Many of you are still working through the Prelude, and that's completely ok. Take the time you need with it. The threads will be here whenever you're ready.

For those moving on to the Fugue, this week's suggested focus is Sections 8–11 (Fugue, bars 1–20):

  • Section 8, Fugue Fundamentals: what a fugue actually is, and articulated legato, the touch that keeps every voice clear.
  • Section 9, The Exposition (bars 1–9): the fingering walkthrough, setting your tempo, and giving each of the three voices its own character.
  • Section 10, Voicing Gym: the seesaw approach, 2-for-1, exaggeration, ghosting and staggered-note practice. These are short drills you can return to all week.
  • Section 11, Development & Episodes (bars 9–20): a structural map of the development, the conversation within one hand, the jumps, double thirds, and those shocking harmonies before the recap.

Open the Track here: https://app.tonebase.co/piano/tracks/bach-prelude-and-fugue-in-c-minor-bwv-847

Jumping in now? No catching up required. Go at your own pace.

Share a clip, a question, or a voicing drill that's working for you (no clip required), and leave a kind word or a tip on someone else's post. Prelude updates are welcome here too!

Question for the week: which voice is hardest for you to keep alive in the Fugue (or, if you're still in the Prelude, which passage is giving you the most trouble)?

Coming up:

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    • Michael_Lodico
    • 11 days ago
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    Bach C minor Prelude take 3 

    OK, here's a recording of the first part of the Prelude (can't manage the page turn!). It sounds so mechanical. and undynamic... I am really trying figure out how to manage the inner voices - sometimes more quasi-staccato? 

      • Peter_William
      • 10 days ago
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       Excellent find ! Tatiana Nikolayeva plays it gorgeously and crystal clearly!. and is widely considered an all time legend.  Thank you!

      • Vicki_R
      • 10 days ago
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       I am so glad you added that edit, about using agogic displacement sparingly in this Bach prelude.  And thank you for being so gracious to share your knowledge and insights in such detail.  As I read in another post, you seem to lead a full studio of piano students, and thus taking the time to deepen our knowledge on this piece, is very generous of you.  

      • hot4euterpe
      • 10 days ago
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       That is very kind of you to say :) I am indeed a teacher (which is not always a popular thing to be here!) and I am happy to share my experience / knowledge for others to use as they like. It is always nice to be appreciated though!

      • Peter_William
      • 10 days ago
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       Oh Dustin knows a ton of stuff on piano playing and can play like a champ !. Check out the videos..

      Sometimes I just sit here scratching my head trying to understand what he is saying with the erudite comments. He has a Studio.  lol!.. He does say that I have sloppy short cut methods :-) LOL.. which is most likely true but I am just trying to learn basic piano playing..and am not much of a piano player. Hopefully in another few years the playing will get better.

      • hot4euterpe
      • 10 days ago
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       Thank you for your positive remarks :) I am sure you are just being humorous but I would never describe someone with wording like ‘sloppy short cut methods’! I do think you make some assertive statements about piano topics for an early learner and you play advanced repertoire when intermediate pieces would allow you to learn more effectively (like the C Major Prelude you shared a clip of) - but you are not sloppy; you are just in the deep end of the pool while learning how to swim. I can see you have a genuine love of music and the piano and I absolutely respect your determination. I am still happy to give advice for any piece — it is yours to do with as you like!

      Also I’m not sure if you were asking or confirming for Vicki but yes I have a private piano studio (not part of a music school).

      • Peter_William
      • 10 days ago
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       Thank you!.. Your advice is actually completely on point. It took me some time to realize the wisdom of it. Only on realizing that you have a studio of lots of students ( I checked out your web page.. :-) ) did I drum it into myself to listen to the advice. :-) lol!. Your comments are helping me a lot!  Thank you!

    • Michael_Lodico
    • 10 days ago
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    Thanks, Vicki - I will listen to Nikolayeva. I can play the piece faster but also find that I tend to make more slip ups. Thanks for the reminder about the slight delay on the downbeats. 

      • Vicki_R
      • 10 days ago
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       I too, when I speed up too much, lose accuracy and worse, tension comes into my hand which we always obviously wish to avoid.  Your steadiness that you have worked on is beautiful.   My observation on this piece's possible tempos and how a listener might find it exciting or not depending on tempo, was simply an opinion, not advice to change your pace or go beyond your speed.   Thank you for sharing and for your question.  

    • Brandy
    • 9 days ago
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    For context, I was already working on this Prelude and Fugue prior to the challenge starting. But I just now finished all the sections of the track and wanted to give the whole thing a go!

    Please tell me what needs improvement. I know some things are obvious, but hoping there are at least a few improvements in the Prelude from the last recording 😅

    • Roy_JamesPike
    • 6 days ago
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    I have started the Guided Track on the Fugue and arrived at the Voicing Gym, which I shall start tomorrow.

    I start the Alto line in the RH but move to the LH on the F of the third beat of Bar 2 in advance of the entry of the soprano line in Bar 3. This sits under the hand by starting on LH 4.

    This is one of the pieces that I want to consolidate into my fairly small repertoire of piano pieces, possibly alongside the Prelude, if I can't settle on a final version for the fingerings in the Presto section.

    The Prelude is more challenging for me than the Fugue, even though I did not play the Fugue until quite recently. My thoughts are that playing the Prelude now has been challenged by working on this originally when my technique was not ready. My piano teacher was really pleased with how I handled the piece, holding the view that sometimes pieces had to be sacrificed to make qualitative changes in one's technique. I am not sure that I believe that this methodology means that pieces are damaged irretrievably by attempting them before one is fully ready for their challenges. There is a risk that my playing may revert to the previous awkward fingerings, voicings, etc., when under pressure but my aim is to replace those muscle memories with newer preferable ones that are more satisfying and productive.

    This is very similar to dancing. A range of methodologies are used with less skilled dancers on the way to approaching more advanced techniques, which are accomplished by re-wiring the circuits in the brain to replace the muscle-memory of the previous approach with ones that are more difficult but can achieve more beauty. The original techniques cannot be removed from the memory and may come to the fore when the dancer is tired, ill, or stressed, but then they can be put back into the back of our memory with consistent relaxed practice aimed at replacing them. 

    I am pleased to say that the fingerings for the Fugue in the Guided Track are again very similar to my original fingerings, which I have worked out myself, sometimes in preference to those suggested in my Henle Urtext edition. There are some fingerings in the Guided Trach that I want to try out to see if they improve matters for me. I am looking forward to seeing the similarities, or otherwise, for the the approach in the Guided Tracks to Bars 15 - 17, 23-24, and 28-29.    

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