Peter's Practice Diary (Beginner level)

I am posting here as a way to track if I am learning anything at all. But I do enjoy trying to play (beginner level - sort of). The music that I really like to listen to for many decades, is largely out of my reach for playing -but I do try them neverthless. :-) 

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    • hot4euterpe
    • 2 wk ago
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     said:
    Now I hear from Dustin all the time that one needs a teacher alongside to learn an instrument. I am going to disregard that advice completely as it is neither feasible nor achievable.

    I don't necessarily think a person needs a teacher but I have given you some fairly specific practice advice when you have asked (some of it specific to the concerto!) and you tend to reframe it back into what you are already doing or to fit your current outlook. This suggests you are entrenched in your approaches and would really benefit from someone that you might feel more accountable to. 

    You also often refer to resources that are really meant for someone that has a teacher. If a teacher is not feasible or achievable, I would really suggest moving away from traditional materials and approaches that are really intended for teacher oversight!

    Since you have self-stated that you are a beginner and are still learning fundamentals, it is not really worthwhile to worry about things like the "Russian school of playing" or what great historical pedagogues and performers have to say about playing quickly etc. -- at least in terms of trying to help your own playing. They are not speaking to someone building their fundamentals. Many of them knew nothing of that level of the process. Students always came to them with a high degree of skill and they were working on elevating those already advanced abilities. They were coaches more than they were teachers. Many of them really default to personal axioms over practical advice for learners struggling to navigate a piece technically.

    So the holy grail you are looking for is not historical treatises for other professionals and contextless exercises. You would gain considerably more prowess just by watching the short videos of someone like yourpianobestie on instagram/tiktok/YouTube. I don't mean this facetiously; she is excellent. She explains and models key concepts like rotation, octaves, arpeggios, scales etc. in short bites. These are all absolutely necessary abilities for playing classical works like Mozart concertos! You can work on these skills dozens of different ways but you have to understand what work you are trying to do or you will just spin your wheels for years. If you are going to work without a teacher, it is practical sources like this that will be useful. 

    Finally, I would suggest you decide what you really are aiming for. You have mentioned several times that you do not have specific goals and you are content with your capabilities but then you ask very pointed questions and say that you want to learn to play masterworks like Mozart concerti and Beethoven sonatas. This contradiction in your posts makes it hard to know what kind of answer to give you (and is another reason I have suggested a teacher).

    I genuinely wish you well in your playing and goals! You are certainly entitled to pick and choose what advice you want to take, but if you tag a person repeatedly asking for advice it is perhaps best to just quietly disregard what you don't find especially useful since they gave their personal time to respond to you! Just an observation!

    All the best =)

      • hot4euterpe
      • 2 wk ago
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       I think you are again reframing what I said to a certain degree but I don't want to go in circles so I will leave it to you revisit my advice as you like!

      It is great that you subscribe to yourpianobestie and others. I would definitely advise curating with that many different sites. I often tell my students that having a hundred books sitting on your shelf is not nearly as valuable as a single one that you actually read carefully. This is the case with many aspects of piano studies.  

      It is true this is a learning platform but one can really only go into so much detail without it essentially becoming a free lesson. However, since you gave some examples of what you were hoping for, I will repeat what I mentioned awhile ago regarding your concerto and really urge you to work on rotation in your Alberti bass patterns in the LH. A common problem with first learning these LH figurations is a stiff hand with a locked pinky that stays down the whole time. This makes the sound laborious and interferes with the ability to play the figures steadily and lightly. The sonatinas of composers like Clementi, Kuhlau and Diabelli would be more suitable for first practicing this skill. 

      For large works, performers chunk the piece into sections and work on those sections like miniature pieces. Some of your first goals should be to make sure you have consistent fingering, rhythmic accuracy and steadiness in each hand. If you cannot execute a passage in one of the hands reliably, trying to play it hands together is 100% not going to work out. Don't build your house on sand =)

      Good luck!

      • Peter_William
      • 2 wk ago
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       Your paras 1,2,4 are quite obvious to me and I am actually practicing exactly that way - chunking .and even simpler methods than you mention. 

      Para 3 is useful info on the Albert bass pattern. I can hear what the problem is in bar 2 it is actually the incorrect subdivision in the Rh and not the LH Alberti bass that is causing the issue! .  Take a listen again .. I am surprised. But no worries I can figure things out a bit lol! I record and listen to very small sections. This piece is way above my level to make it performance ready - which is not my goal at all. The piece was used as a ‘get familiar and be comfortable with long pieces - study . And it has met its goal for me. 
      my next phase of learning is targeted more towards much smaller and easier pieces .. I have already located several , and more importantly memorizing sections of said pieces. Thanks for your lesson  And please don’t repeat para 1;2;4 again it is a waste of time ..
       

      Prof Sara Davis has a wonderful lecture in the topic ( watched it a couple of years ago }here on the platform. I will be watching it several times to fix this problem

      • hot4euterpe
      • 2 wk ago
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       I was not addressing a specific measure’s rhythm inaccuracy. I was giving you some general practice to apply across the piece.

      I do agree with you though that I should be mindful of how I spend my time!

      Cheers!

      • hot4euterpe
      • 2 wk ago
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      If you want people to feel positive about engaging with you about your learning, my specific statement would be: work on your manners.

      No need to tag me in your future posts asking for advice; you seem to have it all figured out!

      • Peter_William
      • 2 wk ago
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       My manners are just fine as I have respected your opinions -read all the previous posts where you have said something. 

      TB is really an online platform so there is really no expectation whatsoever that I should be getting any feedback from you at all.

      The lectures are there and those who look at it and try to learn something from it may benefit  a lot for whatever they deem fit.

    • Peter_William
    • 6 days ago
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    There's a really good TB page on levels and level appropriate content.

    I didn't know it existed until yesterday.  But going forward I will be using that page as a guideline to choose pieces to learn based on the level. e.g. level 2 would benefit from playing a level 2 piece listed rather than a concerto - which may be way above level.

    A lot of my previous comments are therefore withdrawn and to be discarded.

    • Peter_William
    • 6 days ago
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    Scale practice - just a few minutes some days..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwszF9BiL_g

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      • Michelle_Russell
      • 5 days ago
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       Hi Peter. I have some questions:  What rhythm are you attempting here - sixteenth notes, triplets? Do you have an intended quality, i.e. legato/staccato, etc? And do you see any merit or advantage in slowing down drastically in order to even out your playing and find steadiness and consistency before even considering speed as a goal? 

    • Peter_William
    • 6 days ago
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     A baseline reading of Bach's C maj invention - just 2 pages:  After  a few days of trying to read the score.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq-a98NtuZ0

Content aside

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