Week 1 - The Opening Pattern and Finding the Melody

Hey everyone! 🎹

The Prelude and Fugue in C minor Track is live, and for the next four weeks we're all learning BWV 847 together, in the same place, at the same time. It's the second pair in Book I of the Well-Tempered Clavier.

Open the Track here: Prelude and Fugue in C minor Track

This week's suggested focus: Sections 1–4 (Introduction & Fundamentals through bar 24 of the Prelude): the C minor warmups and custom exercises, the opening pattern (bars 1–4), finding the melody hidden inside the figuration, and building your dynamic map. Go at your own pace, the weekly threads are here to keep us together, not to rush you.

Start by telling us where you're coming from: brand new to the piece, halfway there, or coming back to it? Then post whatever your practice throws up: a clip, a question, a small win, a left hand that won't settle. No clip required. And check in on each other's posts too, we're doing this as a group.

You're among the very first players through this Track, so one question for the week: where did something click for you, and where did it trip you up?

Dates: October 5 – October 30. On Tuesday October 27, 11am PT, Dominic goes live for a deep dive into the piece and your questions, so post them in the weekly threads as you go. We wrap up with a Watch Party on Monday November 2, 11am PT featuring recorded submissions from this challenge: the Prelude, the Fugue, a single section or the whole thing. 🎥

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    • Hazel
    • 8 days ago
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    Bar 18 Right Hand - the Tonebase edition has an B flat but the 2 editions that I have both have a B natural in the Right Hand. Anyone have any thoughts? (I prefer B natural)

      • Hazel
      • 8 days ago
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       I see Ursina has already spotted this!

    • Roy_JamesPike
    • 6 days ago
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    I am coming to this challenge late - life happens - thankfully!

    I used to play this Prelude many years ago and intended to come back to it after I had learned the Fugue (well), not least so that I would then have one of Bach's 24 under my belt.

    My original teaching followed Evan Shinners view on the tempo, which was that it is quite open to interpretation and that the Presto needs to be faster so that sets the starting tempo. Having said that, Presto is not really open to interpretation, other than to say that modern tempi of Bach and Mozart tend to be faster than what is understood to be Baroque tempi and, similarly, the slower tempi are slower now than in Baroque times, although how the data on that is collected is worhty of more understanding.

    I did not used to have difficulties with the hand shapes suggested in the Guided Practice but that is not the case now so I now make some adjustments, e.g. Bar 7, where I use RH 5 and 1 (rather than 3) and then 2 on F# and then 1 5 1 for the repeat - G D G.

    I also use 4 in some places - Bars 2, 18, 19 and 20. There seems to be a typo in the fingering at Bar 21.

    I think the rotation to the melody notes is my means of emphasising the melody notes.

    I stick to the format of sticks down means LH and sticks up means RH at Bars 25-27. The notes fit under my hand so I don't see any advantage in putting the hands on top of each other. 

    I attach a scan of the first two pages showing my fingerings, where they differ from the Guided Practice score, and arrows showing my in and out movements, although they look a bit haphazard upon review.

    My aim for this challenge is to sort out definitive fingerings for the Presto, and then memorise it so that I can start to aim for something more like a Presto tempo. My fifty year old Henle Urtext Edition has three different sets of fingerings for this section because I did not want to rub out something that I might want to use later.

    • Terence_W
    • 5 days ago
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    I just wonder how you tackle bar 15, in the score I have, it shows 3 (Left hand) on F and it is A on the right hand which I use finger 1.  I have found the two hands get too close together.  Do you just train your hands to get used to it? 

      • Vicki_R
      • 4 days ago
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       Bar 15 of the Prelude is definitely a bit crowded for both hands because both LH and RH share the same note at different points, the bass clef 'A'.   The TB score suggests for the first 8 notes of that  bar -RH - 5 3 2 3 1 3 2 3 (the A has the thumb - 1), and the LH TB score suggests - 4 1 2 1 3 1 2 1 4 (the A has the 1 - thumb again but LH).  I think if I read your explanation, that that is the same as your suggested fingering?      Anyway,  one possibility is to shift the hands a little, with the LH a little more into the keyboard toward the black keys, and the other hand (RH), a tad towards the edge of the keys.  Stacked that way they won't compete for the same space. The other way is simply to train the LH jump to 'jump' out of the way quickly for that one note, the 'A'.   If one has been playing legato up to that point, for a split second, the LH ends up being non-legato when it 'jumps' out of the way.  (PS I just re-listened to Dominic's recording at that bar - he seems to have his hands stay in the same dimension (I.e., not forward or backward), and sure enough, it sounds very clearly non-legato on that note - the A, there is a little gap of space).   One has to try these suggestions out slowly, and see which one yields the best result.  Sometimes there always remains a bar in a piece that doesn't feel 'comfortable' or 'natural', no matter the practice. Good technical question. Anyway,   others might have other suggestions. 

      • Terence_W
      • 4 days ago
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       Thank you for the suggestions.  I have actually tried both.  The second approach seems more manageable for me. 😅 

      • Vicki_R
      • 3 days ago
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       Yes that's how I practice that bar 15  as well, i.e., both thumbs will alternately hit the note at the same spot on the key, but 'jump' out of the way of each other to the side,  when needed.  And I practice just the 'switching' parts over and over, since that's the problem spot (i.e., The F-A, A-C, then F-A, then back to A-C).  We're all in the same boat. :-)

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    • Michelle_Russell
    • 5 days ago
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     said:
    the C minor Prelude and Fugue that is being worked on in this 4-week challenge (considered to be more early advanced and therefore a good 'my first prelude and fugue')

     Hi Dustin - I'm glad you said this, as I was wondering how this was considered an "intermediate" level piece as stated on the tracks page - I find many of the tb levels for pieces to be puzzling and am glad I have a teacher who can guide me toward level-appropriate pieces.

      • Peter_William
      • 4 days ago
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       quite right!. The level markings on TB may be off by quite a bit. This prelude and fugue is "advanced" not even intermediate. I looked at the score and could barely get through the first page - so quickly closed it. :-)

      Another example I have been playing the Chopin C# minor at night( marked as intermediate .. ! sigh!. It should be "very advanced"). Barely reading the notes of the first page with lots of help from fantastic recordings. Have memorized the first 2 lines. :-) but the pedalling is definitely not easy at all. ! Need to re start with Dominic's systematic track again .. right after the Invention is done

      • hot4euterpe
      • 4 days ago
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       You are pretty close! The posthumous C# minor Nocturne is early advanced. It is on par with the Op. 9 No. 2 but the rapid fioratura at the end of the C# minor is often performed somewhat under tempo by even early advanced learners.

      These two nocturnes are the most common ‘my first Chopin nocturne’ pieces (though there are a few other early advanced ones of comparable difficulty).

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      • Maria_F
      • 4 days ago
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       My first Chopin Nocturne was Op. 9 no. 1, followed by the posthumous C# minor. 

      • hot4euterpe
      • 4 days ago
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       Well that’s great! The C# must have felt pretty manageable since Op. 9 No. 1 is a notch higher difficulty.

      • Vicki_R
      • 4 days ago
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        your quote  ''- so I quickly closed it". 😂😂 (I've done that too with some pieces :-)).  Enjoyed the humor. :-)   On a different note  though regarding the tracks - I'm finding that even if one is not going to learn the particular piece, Dominic teaches so many concepts, techniques of practice, one can study the tracks anyway, and store all this in one's musical database for future use.  For instance, in this track on the Prelude-fugue, concepts in voicing ('ghosting'), crunch practice, precise dynamic mappings, etc. were taught that one can use elsewhere. I'm enjoying every one of these tracks - marvelously done.

      • Peter_William
      • 4 days ago
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       I cannot agree with you more. I am just waiting to complete my experiment with Bach's  Invention in C. As soon as it is memorized I am going straight to the Tracks.  Dominic is fabulous I followed some parts of the Chopin C# Minor track with the great virtuoso Juliana Avdeeva and Dominic explaining and will be returning to that track and this prelude shortly. There are so many concepts covered. Can't wait to start them - it will be like having a teacher right next to you ! For the invention there is a wonderful lesson by Prof Stern - superb. It is all that one would need to learn the Invention. 

      By the way I finally nearly finished  reading Josef Hoffman's book. There are terrific pieces of advice there and plenty of caustic humor regarding lesser mortals like us as well :-).  But all in all it was a wonderful read. Hope you have the book and read it as well.

      • Vicki_R
      • 4 days ago
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       So glad you are extracting practical info from the tracks as I am as well.  Thank you for the reminder about the Hoffman book - remember I downloaded it on kindle for $4.99 :).  (I have a lot on Kindle like that).  It's actually free currently.   Your reminder creates an impetus to read it and see what advice is given.  Thanks for the reminder. 

      • Larry_K
      • 4 days ago
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       I assume this is the book, 

      https://a.co/d/09JeIPjn

      and not the forthcoming biography of Hoffmann “The Piano’s Forgotten Giant,” which seems to be priced at $90, or any book about the Viennese architect of the same name.

      I use Kindle samples to track my To Be Read list. It stands at something like 1500 titles, mostly literary fiction. Spoiler alert, I will never finish my list.

      • Vicki_R
      • 3 days ago
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       Yes that's it.  I started it last night tx to Peter's comment.  There are some very technical questions he answers in that book  (I'm like you regarding Kindle- thousands of samples, and even a few books I've purchased  but then I forget about it sometimes :-).  Interesting according to your comment about the forthcoming autobiography book!

      • Peter_William
      • 3 days ago
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       I read the book (almost all of it ) over the past few days. It is quite a delightful read with lots of really funny statements. Well you know he is Hoffman and can say anything - mostly poking stuff at ordinary learners/students/advanced students all alike . LOL!. 

      Since it was published in 1920 It is on the internet archive I downloaded to my drive and happily read it on a big screen. If you need it let me know I will send the pdf over or send you the link. No need to buy it. If I find it in the store I want to have this book on my shelf. It is definitely worth every word and more.  There is a question answer session from presumably American students of the time and he answers lots and lots of questions on technique, repertoire, hand movement, listening and how to practice ( early morning hours - are the best ! lol! - and don't do more than 2 hours at a time ). 

      • Peter_William
      • 3 days ago
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       yes thats the book. A red cover .. ! 

      • Peter_William
      • 3 days ago
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      • Peter_William
      • Yesterday
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        10/18/2026 -  I started reading Heinrich Neuhaus' great book. It is quite fascinating ! Don't forget to read it.  He is considered to be one of the greatest piano teachers of all time - Both Richter and Emil Gilels were students.  All piano aficionados and pianists( all levels - including beginners ) would benefit from  reading it. Humorous anecdotes are sprinkled throughout for good measure. 

      • hot4euterpe
      • 4 days ago
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       There are many but some of the common ones that I have taught to fulfill the 'invention' requirement of young conservatory program students include Pierre Gallant (In a Canoe, Jazz Inventions No. 1 and No. 2 from a collection called "Imitations and Inventions"), Teresa Richert (Curious Cat, Courageous Cat, Cranky Cat from a collection called "Copycat Copycat: 12 Little Inventions"), Renée Christopher (The Snake, Invention in C Major), Christopher Norton (Carol in Canon, Breezy), Béla Bartók (Conversation No. 1, 2 and 3, Little Dance in Canon Form), Cornelius Gurlitt (Canon in A Minor from "The First Lessons" Op. 117).

      • Larry_K
      • 4 days ago
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       Wonderful, thanks for those recommendations.

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