Week 1 - The Opening Pattern and Finding the Melody

Hey everyone! 🎹

The Prelude and Fugue in C minor Track is live, and for the next four weeks we're all learning BWV 847 together, in the same place, at the same time. It's the second pair in Book I of the Well-Tempered Clavier.

Open the Track here: Prelude and Fugue in C minor Track

This week's suggested focus: Sections 1–4 (Introduction & Fundamentals through bar 24 of the Prelude): the C minor warmups and custom exercises, the opening pattern (bars 1–4), finding the melody hidden inside the figuration, and building your dynamic map. Go at your own pace, the weekly threads are here to keep us together, not to rush you.

Start by telling us where you're coming from: brand new to the piece, halfway there, or coming back to it? Then post whatever your practice throws up: a clip, a question, a small win, a left hand that won't settle. No clip required. And check in on each other's posts too, we're doing this as a group.

You're among the very first players through this Track, so one question for the week: where did something click for you, and where did it trip you up?

Dates: October 5 – October 30. On Tuesday October 27, 11am PT, Dominic goes live for a deep dive into the piece and your questions, so post them in the weekly threads as you go. We wrap up with a Watch Party on Monday November 2, 11am PT featuring recorded submissions from this challenge: the Prelude, the Fugue, a single section or the whole thing. 🎥

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    • Terence_W
    • 12 days ago
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    Did anyone listen to how Glenn Gould played the BWV 847?  Quite an interesting tempo but played beautifully.  The tempo is slower than that of a lot of other pianists such as Daniel Barenboim or Hélène Grimaud.

      • hot4euterpe
      • 11 days ago
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       You sure love your metronome Peter!

      Maestro Glen Gould at 116bpm to the quarter on the prelude.. but Mon Dieu ! Maestro Grimaud at 216bpm !! to the quarter. Lightning fast and super impressive as always!. Huge fan for a few years now ! :-)

      Oh yes Richter is at around 216bpm !! also so is Barenboim .. both all time favorites.

      Where are you getting those numbers though? I listened to both and it is certainly not 200+ per quarter note!

      • Peter_William
      • 11 days ago
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       ha ha.. lol! on the metronome comment. 

      is the 116bpm ok ? The 216bpm was a bit too fast maybe I am wrong on it. I will go with your number .. what is it ?

      I made an approx. so need to know how far off it is.. would be great to hear your answer

      • hot4euterpe
      • 11 days ago
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       Those were pretty specific numbers for approximations! 200+ for the quarter note while playing 16ths would be like a glissando blur.

      Going off of the the first recordings that come up on YouTube:

      Grimaud plays at about 138 to the quarter note and revs up to around 150 for the presto. Richter plays at about 132 at the start and hits a peak of around 160 in the presto.  

      Gould is a pretty solid 80 to the quarter throughout the main section. His presto reaches around 132 but is highly variable as he is playing quite freely (as do the other two to some extent in the presto).

      • Peter_William
      • 11 days ago
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       wow! my counting with the metronome is way off!. Checking carefully now. Thank you!.

      I did a tap with the right hand on the accented beat and kept hitting the plus on the metronome on what seemed like a match.. and was way off .. 

      ok I rechecked again on Richter's recording with a small trick .. went to half tempo and was able to match at 66bpm so  doubling it would put it 132 bpm to the quarter.. Thanks again!

      • Terence_W
      • 11 days ago
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       If Gould was playing at 116, that would be approximately 7.7 notes per second.  At 80, it should be approximately 5.33 notes per second.  I think you are right about the tempo.

      • Terence_W
      • 11 days ago
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       Grimaud is explosive.  We are free to interpret, aren’t we? 🙂

      • hot4euterpe
      • 11 days ago
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       Your math is certainly true. Both are possible tempi / notes per second for this piece though!

      I manually checked these but I also have a chart in one of my WTC books that lists the tempi used by some of the big name performers and sure enough it lists Gould at 80 and Richter at 132 for the opening. ✔️

      • Peter_William
      • 11 days ago
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       quite terrific.! I wanted a teacher to confirm and your numbers align with Richter's almost perfectly.   I was rather careless in the begining as Richter plays at such a terrific pace that it was hard for me to hear the accented beat and move the metronome accurately on the phone. Only on going to 1/2 tempo could I match it right. Thanks again.

      • Peter_William
      • 11 days ago
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       Yes her playing is dazzling. I started following her playing a few years ago when by coincidence I read somewhere that she was at FSU at the same time as I was getting my PhD in a completely different field.! and knew absolutely nothing about piano playing .. around circa 1990... I asked around my French friends of the time and none knew her :-( 

      • hot4euterpe
      • 11 days ago
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       No problem Peter. Happy to check and it is good to practice to find and pace the beat.
       

      There are apps / browser pages that let you tap the beat and a bpm will be averaged from your pace so you don't have to simultaneously adjust the metronome and assess its precision while keeping the performers pulse clear.

      • Larry_K
      • 11 days ago
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        The iPhone “Pro Metronome” app lets you set the tempo by tapping.

      As I mentioned before, it also lets you play ticks for a measure and skip any number of measures. This is in the Rhythm Trainer section of the app.

      • Peter_William
      • 11 days ago
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      Thank you Dustin as always!

    • Vicki_R
    • 11 days ago
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    Yes I noticed that too. And others on Youtube play it rather moderately.  Ms. Grimaud is very impressive, the fastest I've heard so far, maybe Richter also is fast.    I find it best to try to imitate their musicality, and not their speed (after all we've just worked on this for two weeks) :-). 

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