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How do you memorize music?

How do you memorize music?

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    • Margaret_Deeble
    • 3 mths ago
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    That sounds great.    Have always had trouble with memorisation but it has improved in later years using some of these methods that I learned from a course I was doing.    You have some other great ideas I will implement,    Thank you

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    • Peter_G
    • 3 mths ago
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    Lots of interesting posts here. Thanks to all for posting, I'm learning something useful from virtually all of you, and share many of the same struggles..

    My memorization process has been "whatever works" and is rather haphazard. I would really love to systemitize it and make it more organized, as I think it would speed up my process.

    Right now, there's the muscle memory that comes rather natrually to me after playing something over & over, but we all know that it's very hazardous to rely solely on that. Then what I seem to do is form associations in my mind with anything at all that I can make meaningful in some way.  These include the strucutural signposts and cadences, the chord patterns (like Roy, as a jazz player, I am especially attuned to chord patterns and recognizing them in  piece is a great way to lock a passage into memory), or a musical element like a melodic minor scale, or a place that illustrates some theoretical point, e.g. the difference between the upward and downward versions thereof, or a particular motif that reappears, or  difficult fingering, which after I've worked it out, often cements it in my memory, or something that contradicts my expectations, and then sometimes the actual specific notes, Whatever works.

    I have zero ability to look at a printed page and sense how it would feel under my fingers, nor can I sense how it would actually sound, notwithstanding that I have a pretty good ear.  Nor can I do vice versa -- hear something and visuallize how it would look on a score. I can work out via slow solfege any individual passage, but not at a pace that allows me to "hear: the flow of the sound.  I am very envious of those of you who can do that and would love to be able to cultivate that skill. 

    I remember a basketball player named Jerry Lucas (forget his pro team but he played for Ohio State in the early 60's) who could perform amazing feats of memory.  It was said he had memorized the Manhattan phone book (remember those?) and he would demonstrate that on various talk shows.  He said he did it by attaching specifi associations to the details and sequence of what he was trying to memorize.  That seems to be my methodology, for better or worse.

    My teacher in college, Miklos Schwalb, used to say "first I memorize a piece, then I learn it".  I always found that concept rather dumbfounding, but now I'm consciously trying to proceed that way in my trek through the Well Tempered Clavier.

    There are some great Tonebase lessons on memorization, including some offerings from the  brilliant impresario of our community concerts, a/k/a Dominic.

    • Maria_Morando
    • 3 mths ago
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    Thank you all so much. I do hope to help with what I commented on. I don't know if I am allowed to mention a youtube video series, but that is where I learned this. The Fellow that shares this with people doesn't even play piano. He plays guitar. He shares no techniques at playing music at all. He only teaches how the mind works from years of researching studies of the brain. Many of the studies are not even related to music. His own success and his student's very positive results are his confirmation that it works. I won't share his site, but if you do enough searches about memorization, and performance anxiety with music, you might come upon him. I love Tonebase for inspiration and technique. It has been and still is a huge help for me. I feel like I have an instructor in my home. Actually, I think it is better. You won't find this kind of help from the videos about the mind. But I knew I needed serious help with my memorizing skills and most of all, my fear of performing. My fear of performing was how I happened upon his site in the first place. Then I found that it could help with my memorizing skills also.  It was my mind that was holding me back more than anything else. I frequent Tonebase more often now because I feel more confident that it can help me without my mind being such an obstacle. 

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      • Unfrozen Barroom Piano Player
      • Peter_G
      • 3 mths ago
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       that's great Maria.  I hope you'll participate in one of our community concerts soon.  It's a great way to practice performing in front of a sympathetic audience who totally gets how hard it is.  The skill levels range from rank beginners to amazing advanced players. Many of us in the middle stumble through our pieces (speaking for myself anyway) with pauses, memory slips, wrong notes and the whole works, but what comes through with everybody is the beauty of the music itself.

      • Maria_Morando
      • 3 mths ago
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       Thank you. That is something I should think about and look into. I appreciate your response!

    • Maria_Morando
    • 3 mths ago
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    I would like to touch on one more thing. This might be the most useful information I am able to offer since I think it explains the "why" of how this works better than anything else I said so far. I feared that because I couldn't sight read that I was going to be very limited in how many pieces I would ever learn to play. As I said earlier, I can read music. But when I try to sight read while playing, my hands and my eyes are never in the same place. Maybe it is partly because I never played a musical instrument my entire life, and here I was at the age of 67 and I wanted to play piano. Ouch! But I was determined. I quickly learned that sight reading was going to be a very long and tedious process to learn. I had no desire to do that or even try. At 67 I didn't know how many years I had left to play and there is always the issue with my hands lasting without my arthritis becoming an obstacle. (Playing piano has actually been very good for it.) I have always been very good at memorizing by repetition throughout my whole life, but it never lasted. But I never needed it to. At least until I started playing piano. I knew now that I was in trouble. So, I got to thinking after I happened to come upon this fellow's videos about memorization. I was deciding if it was worth a try. I have always been a thinker when it comes to why something works or doesn't. I then thought to myself, Maria, just think of all things you know and remember. I know an entire language with hundreds of thousands of words, I know many people and many things about them. I know tons and tons of stuff! So why can't I memorize tons of songs! Well, the reason is clear. I haven't memorized all of this stuff I know throughout my 71 years of life. I remember it! And that is why I still know it and why I believe this method works so well. And the fellow who teaches this on youtube has never said this, but I will. Skills and knowledge that work long term may not be memorized skills at all. They are things you remember! I believe this is successful because you are not really memorizing a song so much as you are teaching yourself how to remember it!  That is why the struggle to remember that I talked about in my original post is so important. 

    • Noel_Nguyen
    • 2 mths ago
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    When preparing practicing for a live performance, we have to accept that the "muscle" memory will go MIA at unexpected times during the performance. This is guaranteed to happen during live performance, no matter how advanced you are. If you're well prepared it may happen less often and for shorter times than otherwise, but it will happen nonetheless. We have to practice to minimize the episodes, and in such a way that whenever they occur we are able to use the other parts of our brains to "reconstruct" the music on the spot.

    • Tristan_Baker
    • Yesterday
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    For me, memorisation has always been exclusively muscle memory combined with conscious recall of the general features of tricky bits, like RH goes up and LH goes down, this entrance happens after the trombone plays X, etc. And establishing "pickup points" if I do happen to get lost.

    I can't visualise a score in my head and I can't think of how something sounds and know exactly where my fingers are meant to go on the keys.
    Even though, by the time I've learnt a piece to performance standard, I can hear the entire thing precisely in my head, that doesn't help AT ALL with actually playing it. I envy those who are able to translate the sound of something into physical motions. I can do this on a melody instrument (I also play violin/viola) or when singing, but not on the piano.
    I'm a classical pianist and not very good at analysing chord structures on the fly and even if I were, it probably wouldn't help as much with the type of repertoire I play compared to jazz or pop.

    When I was a teenager, I would automatically memorise things just by sheer repetition (usually incrementally speeding up metronome practise). Now I'm 30, have an acquired cognitive disability, and though I still have the muscle memory for parts of some of the pieces I learned when I was younger, I don't seem to be able to memorise more than a few bars of new pieces. I'd love to change that because I like to play virtuosic pieces that are impossible to read and play at the same time (eyes can't keep up with hands! Page turns are also a problem). I think I need a new approach.

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