What's the most challenging piece you've ever learned and how did you tackle it?

We have all had a very difficult piece that we wanted to, or HAD to learn. What kind of strategies did you employ to reach your goal?
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I've somehow managed to learn and perform some pretty heavy-duty pieces, from the Hammerklavier Sonata to Alkan's Grande Sonate and numerous etudes, as well as Godowsky-Chopin etudes, Ligeti etudes, and Liszt's Transcendental etudes.
But the hardest one for me to learn wasn't especially technically difficult; it was rhythmically extremely complex: Nimrod Borenstein, whose music has been championed by Vladimir Ashkenazi for instance, was kind enough to write an etude for me. It's a study in polyrhythms that change bar by bar, and quite unlike Ligeti's already incredibly complex polyrhythms (Désordre, Automne à Varsovie) in which there is at least a common denominator, almost none of the rhythms actually line up. It involves multiple polyrhythms in each hand simultaneously, for instance counting odd groups of 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and/or 7 all at once, such as sextuplets with 2+3 16th note pattern in 3/4 in the right hand against quintuplets with 3+2 16ths in the left.
Joe Crabtree's app Polynome helped me to work out some polyrhythms that I don't think it's possible to count otherwise, unless somebody out there has a built-in atomic clock.
Like all complex music, the task is to make it sound logical and natural, so if I did my job it should hopefully just sound musical. I nicknamed it the "Brain Damage Etude"! It's really a beautiful piece.
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In the "had to learn" category, I was taking various classes at the Longy School in Cambridge, MA. One the professors mentioned to me that there was a juried recital scheduled for some months later and she suggested that a young flutist, who was a student at Longy, and I would be a good match. She further suggested that we do the Prokofiev Flute Sonata. Asked if I was willing, I said "yes". Then I looked at the score. Wrong order :-)
But I was committed. As an amateur pianist with a busy life in other areas, I don't think I've ever worked as hard or well on learning a piece as I did with the Prokofiev. And to my surprise, diligent practice really works! Difficulties that I didn't think I could overcome eventually disappeared. With excellent coaching from the late Yves Chardon (a former cellist in the Boston Symphony and assistant conductor of the Philadelphia Orchestra) and the utterly amazing John Heiss of the New England Conservatory, we passed the audition by the jury and played the concert. I have a recording of the performance. It's pretty much note-perfect, despite my being nervous about certain passages, such as the very end of the Scherzo.
A lesson to me was not to underestimate the power of good, hard work. The other lesson was that the antidote for stage fright, which we all experience to some degree or another, is preparation.
An interesting coda: a year or so after the recital, the flutist and I got together to play the Prokofiev again for old times' sake. I did not look at the piece before this session, assuming I knew it so well that further practice was not necessary. Wrong! My playing was very far from note-perfect and pretty awful. Practice!
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Jeux d'eau by Ravel - it's the piece I'm working on now and it is definitely the most difficult I've tackled. The first challenge was just to learn the notes. I consider myself a decent sight reader, but hadn't played Ravel before. There were sections where I was scratching my head, REALLY struggling to figure out what I was even supposed to be doing. I listened to a lot of recordings, took small sections at a time (sometimes just a couple measures a day) and gradually learned it all. The biggest challenge of course is getting the right sound. Still working on that! Learning this piece, I really paid attention to what fingerings and motions would allow me to play at speed with the quality of sound I want, right from the start. Sounds obvious, but I always tend to focus first on just learning the notes. Recording myself and listening back has been hugely helpful. Until I did this I didn't even realize I was emphasizing some notes unintentionally. So, still a work in progress, but I feel like learning this piece has pushed my playing to a new level!
I wanted to call out Inna Faliks' livestream on Gaspard de la Nuit as an excellent resource with great advice which I tried to put to use on Jeux d'eau. Also found her demonstrations of fast passages at very slow speed extremely helpful - would love to see more of that in lessons!
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Sometimes it’s all about ingoing expectations. The most daunting experience is when pieces don’t SOUND terribly hard but are actually quite hard to learn or master. The opposite is the best case scenario — pieces that sound hard but are relatively easy to learn! Good ROI on time spent!
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Amateur here. Chopin Ballade 4 was challenging.
Both the coda, and even harder is the beginning few measures that appears to be so simple. The beginning section as one long musical line and yet remain quiet and ethereal, voiced using the pinky seems to more difficult than it appears. Perhaps it's a small hands issue.
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When I was in high school I made a promise to myself that I would learn and play Fantasie Impromptu before I graduated, and I had the opportunity to do just that at a competition in my Senior year.
One of the first things I did was cut out many extra-curricular activities that I realized were sources of stress rather than joy in my life. That left me with a lot more time to practice than I would have had otherwise. Then I started to practice very slowly with each hand separately. I found this part quite discouraging because I felt like I was making no progress, but I kept going over and over and over again with almost no gain in tempo. But then, to my great surprise, I started to pick up speed very quickly. It really taught me to appreciate the value of practicing slowly, because I learned that those weeks of practicing at 60 bpm really were worth something. My brain was taking its time to absorb the melody, and once it could grasp it, I was really able to take off.
The hardest part was trying to put the two hands together. There isn't really an easy way to play the 16th notes over the triplets at a low speed, so I waited until I was very comfortable playing both parts together fast and separately, and then layered them on top of each other. I don't think I have ever learned any other piece that way, but it worked in this case.
After that, it was just a lot of practice to work out the kinks. When the time for the competition came, I received the top available rating, and although I know my performance was immature (I never truly master the piece) it is an achievement I still cherish, and I hope I can channel that same dedication to my practice today.
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I've been working on the Pathétique Sonata by Beethoven for years now. I thought the first movement was the most difficult, but it's actually the 3rd movement that's the real bear. I've tried to balance my desire to perfect it with learning other pieces as well.
My inspiration for focusing on one work and for returning to the piano was a book by Alan Rusbridger called "Play It Again: An Amateur Against the Impossible" where he commits to learning Chopin's Ballade No. 1. For those who don't know, Rusbridger was the Editor-in-Chief of The Guardian during the whole Eric Snowden affair. A bit of a time suck for him LOL.
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Chopin Ballade #4 is pretty tough. I'd have to say it tackled me. I went at it for a couple of years, then broke off into other things, one of which is in a following paragraph here! Back at it now, I've improved quite a bit, in part because I'm taking much smaller bites and really working short passages to get them feeling easier, more relaxed, more controlled. But not just that - also refusing to play just to defeat the piece, but rather to wring music out of it. I'm a bit shocked at how much that has helped, both for the enjoyment of my neighbors (!) but also as a great metric to how the technical is going. If it sounds smooth and musical, evidence that the technical is coming along. If it sounds like a battle, it is one! So, I'm trying to make peace with it now. Of course, the coda is still a thing. But a much more musical thing than it was.
So… Chopin Ballade too hard, maybe I'll take it easy and do Prokofiev 8th Sonata. That is also a multi-year project, but with some work left to do in the last page of both the first and third movements, it's really coming along. Same approach - just stopping myself from playing it as if I'm trying to beat it down, and instead working small sections and making it as musical as I can.
There are parts of that Prokofiev that sound like a battle anyway… not much I can do about the neighbors. Bars 133 till about 190… not neighborly but really fun to get it right. And then the rat race at the end of the movement.
I think I'm crazy to try it. But no matter. The 3rd movement is such a riot to play it's worth the pain! Also jaw-dropping to watch someone play it.Age of this topic - This whole post of mine was approximately true 2 years ago. What's 2 years anyway? Meanwhile, I really enjoyed hearing that Borenstein. Very nice!
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Mine must be a junior level answer compared to other members’. Berg Sonata Op. 1. I think I mastered it because I really wanted to play that piece. I was obsessed with Berg and saw Lulu five times in one season! My teacher at the time was surprised at my achievement since he did not think much of me. However, because of my infatuation, I had absorbed the harmonic language, so that half of the work was done.