Group 3
- Dominic CheliTeam
- Dominic_Cheli
- updated 4 mths ago
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- Jarred Dunn3 mths ago
Welcome to the NEW TWO WEEK INTENSIVE on tonebase!
Improving your Lyricism (feat Chopin)
Post your progress with videos and written commentary on how things are going for you!
- Course Period: June 26 - July 10th
- Class Size: ALL are welcome!
- Optional check-In via Zoom: July 2nd at 11am PT
- ZOOM MEETING Recording!
- https://youtu.be/Fl-ExGT9aZY
Assignment #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQpw6fZBOlE
- Pick a short piece (Mazurka, Nocturne, Prelude) or excerpt of a longer piece (Ballade, Polonaise, Scherzo, Sonata, Concerto). Focus on lyrical/slow sections.
- Learn bass carefully, labelling all chords and cadences.
- SING melodic line. Practice singing until your voice can identify the melody instantly.
- Submit a video: playing the Bass while singing the Soprano.
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Assignment #2
https://youtu.be/ri2UD1z8sKE?si=w36XWzqb_rao3RAu
-Label all breathing points with an apostrophe between phrase markings. Practice deep breaths between significant points or use a regular breath for phrase changes.
-Sing Bass notes of all chords while playing Soprano melody.
-Submit a video: playing hands together (performance).
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- Dagmar
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- Dagmar
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Ok, I found an easier piece where I have the chance to get the first bars hopefully done for this challenge, though it is still challenging for me: Sostenuto in Eb.
Is there someone more advanced who could help me with the fingering in a trickier part, please? Key is Eb, my hand is small, octave span (on white keys a ninth at the edges, 2-5 on Ab-F is stretched but possible)
Is my fingering suggestion reasonable or stupid?
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- Gail Starr
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Dagmar https://youtube.com/shorts/1iMYz35wQ9g?si=XJFd3Fr75lDwyBZE
I have small hands also, so my quick first take on a possible fingering is here. Since I haven’t studied this piece I might come up with something better over time, though.
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- Dagmar
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- Dagmar
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Gail Starr oh thank you so much
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- Gail Starr
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- Gail_Starr
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Dagmar Contact me anytime for fingering ideas! I can barely reach an octave so I need to get a bit “creative” at times.
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- Jarred Dunn
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Dagmar I just saw your video, I'll be happy to address your fingering. M. 14 fingering is fine. The positions for your thirds could be easier - try the attached fingering, I labelled my suggested fingering under the soprano double notes. Don't hold the lower note too long, try it as one note only and see if it's comfortable. Upload another video showing if this fingering helps?
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- Angela Fogg
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Gail Starr I have small hands too! The thing that I thought really made a difference for me, was yoga and doing lots of downward dog.
Really feeling my palm open out flat so that I have the maximum amount of opening that I can get across my palm to help my fingers get to where they want to go. Smaller keyboards would help… I did a YouTube video once of somebody who makes them, in Germany I think.
It was something you could use at a ‘normal’ piano keyboard instead of the keyboard it came with. Very expensive as I remember.
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- Gail Starr
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Angela Fogg My hands are feeling much better these days, now that I have also started stretching them before I play...kind of "hand yoga", LOL?
And I'm actually on the waiting list for the Stretto digital keyboards, but their production is quite slow, so I'm thinking it may be another 1-2 years before I can invest in one. I actually attended the Stretto Festival in NYC last summer and tried one. It was SOOOO relaxing to just play octaves without tension!
You can also get a Stretto keyboard to put inside your EXISTING piano, but I don't want to that since I need to keep my muscle memory to play anyone's piano.
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- Dagmar
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- Dagmar
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Gail Starr ah... finally my account is activate again. I somehow got blocked by accident. Thank you for you help, Gail!
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- Dagmar
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- Dagmar
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Gail Starr oh I fell in love with a DS 6.0 keyboard, too! I played it on a Steingraeber grand here in Germany, and was amazed how quickly I could adapt to the different distances. Unfortunately they are very expensive and hardly any manufacturer offers them, so I'd have to buy a regular piano and then spend thousands of Euros extra to get it modified. And I also feel like keeping a regular sized keyboard to practise on that every now and then might make me feel better. But I don't have the space for 2 pianos That's why I still hesitate.
Nevertheless, it really was an amazing feeling to play the DS 6.0, and frustrating the same time. Like "whaaat, THAT'S what piano feels to men??" Like literally EVERYTHING is easier.
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- Dagmar
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- Dagmar
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Jarred Dunn
Hi Jarred, thanks for your kind reply! And sorry for answering so late, my account accidentally got blocked in the forums, I couldn't post, like or reply anymore.
I tried your suggestions and they work well for me for the beginning of the passage, the last few notes feel weird though. I made another video:
Thank you for your help, highly appreciated.
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- Gail Starr
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Dagmar OMG, me too!! When I tried the Stretto, I felt my entire BODY relax.
Unfortunately, Stretto was forced to raise prices significantly due to inflation of their production costs, but I’m going to stay on the waiting list anyway.
I wonder if you could get one of the digital keyboards in the U.S. (someday!) and have them ship it to Germany?
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- Dagmar
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- Dagmar
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Gail Starr Gail Starr Guess that'd be possible. But you know, I want to get a piano I really love, so I would like to have tested it before, to hear the sound and make sure I also like the feel. Plus I'd love to get a hybrid, because I have neighbours, plus I also use pianomarvel, and I also like to switch sounds sometimes.
I really fell in love with the sound and feel of the Yamaha Hybrids, but they don't even consider making a costom smaller keyboard, I asked them. So I'd need to buy a regular one, have it modified by an independent technician and then.. what.. have additional keys I don't need lie around here? sigh... So I just wait and hope that the Sirius Standard gets more popular. Steingraeber really do their best, they go on fairs and show their "respectful piano" around, there's the Stretto festival with DS 6.0 concerts etc. - but I think it's still a very long way to go :(
Hah, but by then I'll be a better piano player worth the high cost new piano haha.
BEcause to be honest, as a 5 year student, my Roland digital still is sufficient. Plus I gave "him" a name... so I could never let him go, it's like a pet/best friend XD It would feel like to give Poldi away to a shelter ;) We went through all difficulties of piano learning together, he's always giving his best and cheering me up. haha, very wacky, I know.Reply Like 2 -
- Gail Starr
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Dagmar I totally understand. I could never part with a dear family pet!
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- Andrea Buckland
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Here is my first attempt on the beginning of the Nocturne in F#-minor op. 48 no 2
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- Andrea Buckland
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- Vidhya Bashyam
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Andrea Buckland Wow…so beautiful! Almost better this way with your hauntingly lovely voice!
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- Harriet Kaplan
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Andrea Buckland you have set the bar very high for this exercise!!
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- Andrea Buckland
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Vidhya Bashyam Harriet Kaplan Thank you very much, my dear friends! Looking forward to hearing your Chopin pieces!
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- Tammy
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Andrea Buckland Whoaaa, that was super good singing; it was really moving. And, you had to go really high too!
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- Jarred Dunn
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Andrea Buckland Good singing and timing; your voice's legato slides between large intervals helps this sound very choral and lyrical. Work on breathing and melodic flow next: (1) accompany your singing with just solid chords as in recitative style, (2) work out the placement of high points in your voice - this will be key to shaping phrases in a rubato that does not drag/stagnate the line, and (3) listen to secondary dominant harmonies and their colour as in 2:00. Your vocal timbre suits this nocturne beautifully.
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- Andrea Buckland
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Jarred Dunn Jarred Dunn Thanks, Jarred! Will work on it.
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- Gail Starr
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Andrea Buckland Your singing has inspired me to at least TRY this.
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- Andrea Buckland
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Gail Starr looking forward to hearing you, Gail!
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- Andrea Buckland
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Tammy
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- Juan Carlos Olite
- Philosophy teacher and piano lover
- Juan_Carlos
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Andrea Buckland Beautiful singing, Andrea! Sounds poetic and evocative! Love it!
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- Andrea Buckland
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Andrea Buckland next try with more melodic flow.., is this too much?
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