Week 2 Assignment

Week 2 assignment:

There are two options this week

  • Record a video of yourself playing a trill you are struggling with. It does not matter how many mistakes there are. This is a comparison video.

 

  • After a week of using the practice methods discussed, make a new video of the same passage, acknowledging that a week is a very short amount of time and perfection is not expected.

 

  • You can post a side-by-side video showing your progress.... please include your comments on what you experienced and which methods you found most effective and why you believe that is the case.

Option 2

  • Record a brief practice session of your trill, demonstrating your incorporation of methods discussed. Your video will be reviewed and discussed, explaining what elements of the practice are working and which may need further clarification. This is a very helpful option if you would like more specific individualized feedback on what you are doing with your technique. This will also help your other friends, who may also be struggling, somewhat like mini-masterclasses.

https://youtu.be/ymH0eWQTTWw?si=2Ioi8t7pcYFbNyaF

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    • Michele
    • Michele.1
    • 2 days ago
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    Thank you for giving us such good insights this week Leann.

    Here are my before and after attempts.

    Before: https://youtube.com/shorts/fs2NOyudxf0?feature=shared

    After: https://youtube.com/shorts/JLvrLrdJRu4?feature=shared

     

    I don't know that there is much difference!  However, I do feel more secure in the trills, mainly because of the slow practice I did as I was trying to follow your advice and also to make sure I was "counting" the trills. I think that I will need a lot more practice to pick up the tempo.  I would sure appreciate your advice on how to improve.

     

    Even though I wouldn't use fingers 3 and 4 for the RH trill, I thought I would practice that so as to get your advice on how to improve trills with that part of the hand. I think I made a little progress there, mainly because of slow practice and keeping in mind your advice on the balance of the hand.

    Before: https://youtube.com/shorts/u8hGcVxtldw?feature=shared

    After: https://youtube.com/shorts/WVxk2a-yJII?feature=shared

     

    Thank you for leading us in this TWI!

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    • Michele nice work!

       

      there is a difference, just a subtle one. So, on all videos, the main issue is that we are trying to still control the non-trilling fingers, usually by slightly hovering them above the keys. When we hover, we are causing extra work/tension in our hand while our hand is trying to do something difficult with the trill. The goal is to have our hand fully at rest and just have an accurate weight balance over where we are trilling..... so your outer fingers will just be resting at ease.

       

      Your movement in and out is great! 

       

      The thing that immensely improved is that the second videos tone and control is much improved. I could tell that you have achieved a higher level of weight balance over the trilling part of your hand, which gave your a warmer more focused sound and more control. the reason you didn't see as much striking difference was because of the hovering fingers, as they maintained the uncertainty, unevenness, and lack of speed you were hoping for. 

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      • Michele
      • Michele.1
      • 18 hrs ago
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      Dr. Leann Osterkamp He Thank you so much for your feedback Leann. As usual, your diagnostics are really helpful. I am making progress now on getting a resting hand, but it is going to take me quite a bit of practice yet to get to an assured evenness in my trills. I learned a lot from your Tonebase course on essentials where you cover trills, but this TWI has been really, really helpful. Thank you.

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    • Peter Golemme
    • Piano Player with Day Job (for now)
    • Peter_G
    • yesterday
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    And here is my BEFORE video of the F# Minor Fugue from Book 1 of the WTC.

    https://youtu.be/gc2Tj875bCw

    And a PDF with the trills written out and their locations is attached.

    There are 9 entrances of the Subject, played all the way through each time. I aim to play a trill on the penultimate note of the subject every time. (With the possible exception of the very last entrance, where it may not work; I play it anyway here to see what it sounds like). Here is BEFORE where I had not strictly counted the notes and was playing different trills each time. I think it would be better to play the same trill each time. See attached PDF which I have also uploaded with the trills written out and the score highlighting the locations. My aim is to play the “Baseline” trill indicated there. I had experimented with “Alternate A” and “Alternate B”, each also written out (and easier than the Baseline) but hopefully with the help of this workshop I can play the Baseline all the way through.

    • Peter Golemme Hi! Very nice work. I do think that, since this is the subject, it would be important and necessary to play the ornament the same way each time. I will note that, in the edition you are using, the notation is vague and one could interpret the ornament as simply a mordent instead of a full trill. 

       

      I, personally, would interpret it as a mordent, mainly because it would allow the last half note to have a sense of fading (since the piano will naturally fade) prior to moving on and I like that affect here. I also would like that the mordent would end on the primary note, making the shift to the next note more rhythmically clear and bringing out the primary note movement. 

       

      With the trills you wrote out, the nachshlage "gives away" the following note by using an anticipation. I think that takes away some of the structural sharpness that is created by having the next idea start firmly on the downbeat and kind of blends the subject into the next thing. 

       

      Just interpretive ideas to consider. 

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      • Peter Golemme
      • Piano Player with Day Job (for now)
      • Peter_G
      • 5 hrs ago
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      Dr. Leann Osterkamp He again, this is very informative and useful feedback.  It never occurred to me to let this penultimate note FADE into the final note. Instead I've always focused on SUSTAINING it until the final note. But fading makes great sense in the context of the downward step to the tonic.

      One of my goals in plodding through the WTC has been to improve my trills, so I tend to thrown them in at every possible opportunity, and once in there, try to replicate them in every parallel place throughout the piece. Perhaps all without enough attention paid to the musical function of the note & ornament!  It's a priceless benefit from Tonebase to have access to the attention and feedback of artists such as yourself on our humble offerings.  Thanks again for this workshop.

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    • Marc M
    • Amateur piano enthusiast
    • Marc_M
    • yesterday
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    Thank you, Dr. Leann Osterkamp He ! Here's my video for this week (sorry I'm so late, things have been hectic). 

    My right hand feels pretty comfortable, though now that I look at it on video I can see my pinky might be rising some. My left hand is much, much harder to get remotely close to a similar speed, though, so I'm including a passage from the same piece that uses the same technique in the left hand. With my left hand I'm also practicing rotation away from the piano--it's just really difficult to keep up the rotation and find that "balance" when my fingers hit any kind of solid surface. Any comments would be appreciated! 

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    • Marc M I think your balance is actually on the right track! I think the slowness/awkwardness comes from sticking in the same place during the trill. The end RH trill... at the beginning (when you were most relaxed/in control) you will see that you had a controlled very microscopic movement inwards (nice job!). The second you stopped that motion is when you saw that pinky almost start to rise.... and this happened when you were transitioning to the next thing, which means you just hadn't paced out your in/out motion to be in the right place to seamlessly flow into the next thing. The LH never moved in/out like your right hand. The more you do that microscopic controlled movement in/out to go with your improving balance, it will solve the issues described above. 

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  • Thank you for participating, everyone! I wish you all the best with your future trilling :) 

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